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Speedometer ID?

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:11 am
by mr.lotus
I have what appears to be a, 1963 Austin Cooper. The speedometer has a plain black face, no inner white rings. Reads in MPH to 120 MPH. The face has the shift points at 33/55/78. Only the H/B and IGN warning lamps. Writing on face reads; RPM 1312 (below odometer). 54M2-1/12. It is a Smiths speedometer. Any ideas what the speedometer is or, what is out of? I have the Parnell book, nothing like it. Could the speedometer be out of another car? Perhaps a "replacement speedometer", Morris Minor? Thanks for the help. mr.lotus

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:41 am
by cooper´s 65

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:11 am
by nick rogers
No SN number ? The 1312 RPM does not seem familiar, I would expect 1376, 1408 or maybe 1280 on an early speedo, although 1312 could represent an alternative diff ratio. I am guessing it's 5 inches in diameter, has a pointed bezel and a convex glass face ? Morris Minors were either 80 or 90 MPH, in fact black faced ones were always 90. The mounting for the 2 screws was slightly different from Mini ones.
The ADO16 1300GT had a120 MPH but it was smaller in diameter than a Mini unit. A photo would be a great help.

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:58 pm
by Simon776
Sounds like it is an Aussie unit then.

1312rpm is an unusual one. I did find a 1312rpm in my bit of Smiths catalogue. Apparently it was from a Cooper S Mk 2 1275cc Police Std. Axle and gearbox. The SN code for this unit was SN4421/48.

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:05 pm
by cheleker
When Nick and Simon "speak" one listens!

A photo will help.

I can confirm SN4421/48, 1312 as a Mk II S police car, 3.44 final drive. OKD697F has that speedo. It is marked with numbers to 130 mph (no hash marks beyond 130) and there are no smaller kph markings.

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:45 pm
by mr.lotus
Thanks to, "cooper's 65" for sending the link to Australian made Mini's. The speedometer is an, Australian MK2 Cooper, not sure if it is the "S" or just a Cooper. Perhaps the Australian cars used a different speedometer gear set up? Is the speedometer worth repairing and putting back into service? English Mini with Australian speedometer, in Arizona USA. What else will show up in this car? mr.lotus

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:00 pm
by Pete
I wouldn't listen to Nick, he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

;)

:lol:

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:04 pm
by nick rogers
Damn right ! Especially when it comes to Aussie speedos.

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:33 pm
by Pete
Or special pre production prototype stuff .

:lol:

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:46 pm
by nick rogers
Carefull ! You are rattling a very dangerous cage. :lol:

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:28 pm
by KA2S4
mr.lotus wrote:Thanks to, "cooper's 65" for sending the link to Australian made Mini's. The speedometer is an, Australian MK2 Cooper, not sure if it is the "S" or just a Cooper. Perhaps the Australian cars used a different speedometer gear set up? Is the speedometer worth repairing and putting back into service? English Mini with Australian speedometer, in Arizona USA. What else will show up in this car? mr.lotus
Australia didn't do Mk2 Coopers, just S types.

J

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:25 am
by Tim
Sort of. Australian Mini production doesn't fit UK Mk numbers, for example all of our Mini sedans had the small rear window right until the end. However we did have a Cooper S model that was known locally as Mk2, between 1969 and 1971.

http://www.miniexperience.com.au/filead ... oper_S.pdf

Tim

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:25 am
by nick rogers
Woud still like a photo of it, Mr Lotus.

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:23 am
by Tim
Sorry KA2S4, I see what you meant now :oops: .
Yes, Australia only had Mk1 Cooper 997s and 998s, but we had Mk1 and Mk2 Coooper S 1275s.

Tim

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:10 am
by KA2S4
Do try to keep up Tim

:D

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:45 am
by Tim
:D

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:47 pm
by cheleker
Also waiting for a photo.

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:45 am
by mr.lotus
I removed the speedometer from the car today, to send out for repair. I know it is not the "correct" speedometer for a, "1963" Cooper (not an S). It is an interesting speedometer. Unless there is the, "correct" Cooper speedometer out there that, is willing to trade? Could be an interesting conversation piece, when in the car. Thanks for the all response. Mr.lotus, Mk1 Mini in Arizona

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:34 am
by LKE
Hi,

I have a speedometer I'll like your help to clarify.
SN-4421/13 in kilometer
Cannot find this number in John Parnell's bible.

Please advice.
Image

Best reg
Lars, Norway

Re: Speedometer ID?

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:42 am
by timmy201
SN4421/13 SPEEDOMETER ASSEMBLY, black face, KPH 1 1967-75. 850 std. and 1000 Traveller manual models (13H4464).

http://www.somerfordmini.co.uk/eshop/in ... page&id=83