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Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:34 pm
by AndyPen
Went hunting for my old Morris Cooper Badge today and the wife reminded me that I still had some 'old stuff' in a box that I had promised to clear out of a top bedroom cupboard. Still not found the original to compare it to unfortunately.

Another 'been there since the early 90s' story, but is this for real? Anything I can check?

I'm sure there was a thread here as well, but can't find it???

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Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:56 pm
by 360gts
Andy, I have a couple of genuine one s and a repro...will try to get some pictures later...in the meantime...could you post a pic. of the back side of your badge? From what I can see...looks original.
Cheers
D

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 12:01 am
by timmy201
The modern ones look a bit more like a fat cat than a bull. The bull also lost his manhood :shock:

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 1:02 pm
by Costafortune
I don't think there were any repros in the early 1990's.

Originals iirc were made by J Fray in B'ham.

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:04 pm
by AndyPen
360gts wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 11:56 pm Andy, I have a couple of genuine one s and a repro...will try to get some pictures later...in the meantime...could you post a pic. of the back side of your badge? From what I can see...looks original.
Cheers
D
No J Frey on this or the Morris Cooper rear badge that was with it - I imagine it would be easy to to spot if there were?

The BMC box says 1967, so I guess the box is original ;-)

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Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:18 pm
by Blacktulip
Eitherway it's a lovely badge you have there

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:26 pm
by Andrew1967
I’m not sure that the Morris Cooper badges had J Fray cast into them ?

There are two distinct animals on the badges I’ve seen. A bull on the genuine one, complete with tackle or a fat cat on the repros .

My original has not got J Fray on the back.

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:47 pm
by AndyPen
Interesting Andrew - my hopes rise again then?

Still can't seem to find my original one - somewhere deeply safe!!!

In case anyone is wondering, I got all these bits and bobs from a BMC dealership that closed in Neath, South Wales and put them away carefully, or so I thought. A brand new uncollected passenger door was another star find, as was a rev counter and a capillary temperature gauge.

My S will have some nice new bits on it ;-)

Sadly this Mk2 one in the same box probably got crushed as it has snapped. Luckily though, right behind where the trim would go so worth keeping.

I think this a real deal ;-)

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Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:00 pm
by coopertim
Definitely original Andy! Fantastic badge. My original doesn’t have Fray stamped either.

Tim

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:13 pm
by Andrew1967
Seems pretty conclusive now Andy .

The Mk2 S badge is certainly worth using on a car as well :)

I well remember a local BMC garage auction, dozens and dozens of Mk1 Mini panels and tons of spares. Bought a few bins worth but nowhere near enough that I should have.

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:16 pm
by 360gts
Andy...some pictures of genuine and repros…..
Others have mentioned how the 'bull' got fatter over the years....he did :lol:
MK2 S badge should look like the one attached...from the back...repros are solid.
Cheers
D

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:27 pm
by AndyPen
Looks like I hit the jackpot then Dermot ;-)

Mk 2 as well - thanks that has really made my day ;-)

That repro one certainly looks like my fat cat!!!

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:39 pm
by Polarsilver
Can i muddy the water .. Unipart took on the Parts supply & distribution business from BMC / Leyland ( was it late 60,s early 70,s? ). Unipart got their business establish in Cowley with the stock holding from BMC / Leyland then later on also started to put parts into Unipart own brand Boxes.. They also got other suppliers involved in supplying OE parts & they were not always the original maker of our BMC/ Leyland OE Parts .. so were those later on Unipart supplied parts official Fakes? :lol:

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 10:07 am
by AndyPen
Approved fakes???

I'll be checking the dates on the other badges and packs now - ha ha ;-)

The Mk1 door has the person's name on it and a collection date of 1967... I got all this in the early 90s so somebody was putting a little stash of uncollected mini bits and bobs to one side I'd imagine? The parts guy alerted our local club - so could have been him making a little on the side??

As said, must have happened all over the place as dealerships closed ;-)