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Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 10:34 pm
by AndyPen
Went hunting for my old Morris Cooper Badge today and the wife reminded me that I still had some 'old stuff' in a box that I had promised to clear out of a top bedroom cupboard. Still not found the original to compare it to unfortunately.
Another 'been there since the early 90s' story, but is this for real? Anything I can check?
I'm sure there was a thread here as well, but can't find it???
morris-cooper-nos-badge.jpg
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 11:56 pm
by 360gts
Andy, I have a couple of genuine one s and a repro...will try to get some pictures later...in the meantime...could you post a pic. of the back side of your badge? From what I can see...looks original.
Cheers
D
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 12:01 am
by timmy201
The modern ones look a bit more like a fat cat than a bull. The bull also lost his manhood

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 1:02 pm
by Costafortune
I don't think there were any repros in the early 1990's.
Originals iirc were made by J Fray in B'ham.
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:04 pm
by AndyPen
360gts wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:56 pm
Andy, I have a couple of genuine one s and a repro...will try to get some pictures later...in the meantime...could you post a pic. of the back side of your badge? From what I can see...looks original.
Cheers
D
No J Frey on this or the Morris Cooper rear badge that was with it - I imagine it would be easy to to spot if there were?
The BMC box says 1967, so I guess the box is original
rar-of-cooper-badge.jpg
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:18 pm
by Blacktulip
Eitherway it's a lovely badge you have there
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:26 pm
by Andrew1967
I’m not sure that the Morris Cooper badges had J Fray cast into them ?
There are two distinct animals on the badges I’ve seen. A bull on the genuine one, complete with tackle or a fat cat on the repros .
My original has not got J Fray on the back.
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:47 pm
by AndyPen
Interesting Andrew - my hopes rise again then?
Still can't seem to find my original one - somewhere deeply safe!!!
In case anyone is wondering, I got all these bits and bobs from a BMC dealership that closed in Neath, South Wales and put them away carefully, or so I thought. A brand new uncollected passenger door was another star find, as was a rev counter and a capillary temperature gauge.
My S will have some nice new bits on it
Sadly this Mk2 one in the same box probably got crushed as it has snapped. Luckily though, right behind where the trim would go so worth keeping.
I think this a real deal
Mk2-S-rear-badge.jpg
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:00 pm
by coopertim
Definitely original Andy! Fantastic badge. My original doesn’t have Fray stamped either.
Tim
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:13 pm
by Andrew1967
Seems pretty conclusive now Andy .
The Mk2 S badge is certainly worth using on a car as well
I well remember a local BMC garage auction, dozens and dozens of Mk1 Mini panels and tons of spares. Bought a few bins worth but nowhere near enough that I should have.
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:16 pm
by 360gts
Andy...some pictures of genuine and repros…..
Others have mentioned how the 'bull' got fatter over the years....he did
MK2 S badge should look like the one attached...from the back...repros are solid.
Cheers
D
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:27 pm
by AndyPen
Looks like I hit the jackpot then Dermot
Mk 2 as well - thanks that has really made my day
That repro one certainly looks like my fat cat!!!
Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:39 pm
by Polarsilver
Can i muddy the water .. Unipart took on the Parts supply & distribution business from BMC / Leyland ( was it late 60,s early 70,s? ). Unipart got their business establish in Cowley with the stock holding from BMC / Leyland then later on also started to put parts into Unipart own brand Boxes.. They also got other suppliers involved in supplying OE parts & they were not always the original maker of our BMC/ Leyland OE Parts .. so were those later on Unipart supplied parts official Fakes?

Re: Is this the real thing or a fake?
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 10:07 am
by AndyPen
Approved fakes???
I'll be checking the dates on the other badges and packs now - ha ha
The Mk1 door has the person's name on it and a collection date of 1967... I got all this in the early 90s so somebody was putting a little stash of uncollected mini bits and bobs to one side I'd imagine? The parts guy alerted our local club - so could have been him making a little on the side??
As said, must have happened all over the place as dealerships closed
