hydro query.....

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so. collected the car yesterday and drove the 80 mile journey home. bit noisy on the motorway but loved being behind the wheel on my beloved mini cooper s for the first time in nearly 30 years.

when i parked up the car i noticed that the front of the car was about 25 mm higher than the rear. seemed a a bit strange and wondered whether it was due to self levelling on the inclined drive. got her in the level garage hoping she would level out over night but still the same this morning.

any ideas? perhaps i should drive in, instead of reversing in, to see if the opposite is true?

and please don't say should have changed to dry...... :o)
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Would never say "should have changed to dry". Getting Hydro to sit right is a bit of a black art though.

I am sure that some other members with more experience than myself will come up with suggestions, but for starters are you sure you have the correct helper springs on at the back? If they are too tight they will pull the nose up.

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good thinking........ but they are the original springs with the car, and its the same 'standard' hydro units, apart from one replaced due to the refurbishment and repair failing.....
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I would have said that my standard hydrolastic "S" always sat slightly lower at the FRONT.

Naturally, on uneven ground, they can look a bit odd but on that flat the front should be lower.
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thats what i would expect too but it seems to be the opposite.......?

will post a photo after a bit more testing with the car pointing in the other direction on the drive
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it my be the knuckle joints settling into the cups etc.

after a few hundred miles you can retrim the pressure, if its still doing it you can add washers / trim the mushrooms down that hold the knuckles in just to trim the height to what you want.


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Old English . That looks a very nice mini . That's how my hydro S sat on its suspension , slight rake at the rear . ..... Ken
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very excited to get to go for a drive although 80 miles on the motorway was perhaps not the most rewarding of first drives. hard to say if it was as i remembered as the last time was nearly 30 years ago! i can barely remember anything from 1987!

noisy, and point and squirty and bobbly, if you know what i mean? so very much as i imagined.

needs a bit of time to settle in, hydro suspension, brakes etc etc.......

there is another small leak from the displacer union too which i need to sort. hopefully its just a matter of nipping up the nut a bit tighter although its in a difficult position amongst the brake pipes to and from the servo and master cylinder etc......

hoping to have that sorted by next weekend so we can attend Beaulieu. have a spot saved on the Mk1-PC stand and will be disappointed if she isn't up to the journey! confirmation of attendance is now delayed until middle of next week - nothing like leaving it to the last minute....
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I hope you get your teething troubles sorted Evo!

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I'm just sorting through a pile of displacers, is a quick way of telling an S displacer from a normal one the depth from the top of the steel casing to the rubber (at the hose end)? ie, S ones are shallower by about 10mm? I seem to remember that was the case.

Even with the chart : http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.u ... _units.pdf it's proving to be a headache. Those part numbers on the housing do fizzle away over the years!

Also, did they fit green band 21A2008 units to Cooper Ss or just Coopers/ non Coopers?
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Pete wrote:I'm just sorting through a pile of displacers, is a quick way of telling an S displacer from a normal one the depth from the top of the steel casing to the rubber (at the hose end)? ie, S ones are shallower by about 10mm? I seem to remember that was the case.

Even with the chart : http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.u ... _units.pdf it's proving to be a headache. Those part numbers on the housing do fizzle away over the years!

Also, did they fit green band 21A2008 units to Cooper Ss or just Coopers/ non Coopers?
Not sure whether that would affect ride height. Parnells book gives ride height the same regardless of cooper or 'S', and being half inch lower at the front.......

by the way.... how many 'S' ones do have going spare? ;o)
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Not sure yet , need to ID them all first. :?

Can anyone confirm my query? (sorry for the thread swerve!)
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thats alright...... you can piggyback my thread! first dibs on units of course......
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I've just gone through some hydro units to double check what Pete mentioned about the depth of the S units and I can confirm that the S units are shallower by about 6 mm.

Regarding the leaky union, I too had that problem when I changed a pipe on my Austin MK 2. No amount of tightening the joint would cure the weeping joint, so in the end I made a washer out of a bit of lead which I placed in the joint and tightened everything up.
It cured the leak and after 10 years or so the joint is still dry. Crude, but it works.
I hope you can get it sorted by Beaulieu and start enjoying driving the Mini again.
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InimiaD wrote:I've just gone through some hydro units to double check what Pete mentioned about the depth of the S units and I can confirm that the S units are shallower by about 6 mm.

Regarding the leaky union, I too had that problem when I changed a pipe on my Austin MK 2. No amount of tightening the joint would cure the weeping joint, so in the end I made a washer out of a bit of lead which I placed in the joint and tightened everything up.
It cured the leak and after 10 years or so the joint is still dry. Crude, but it works.
I hope you can get it sorted by Beaulieu and start enjoying driving the Mini again.
Hmmm.... Maybe some ptfe tape would work too. Works for compression fittings in a plumbing system but not at such high pressures.......

Thanks for the advice. And yes, can't wait for driving experience with some confidence. She looks great but need to know she's not leaking!!!!!
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Your PTF tape idea will probably work , I used this on my oil cooler pipe the other day as had small weep and any amount of tightening did not stop it, now alls good, its worth a try . After all hydro pressure is not that high, Got to get there next Sunday
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PTFe is just the job here. I assumed it was meant to be there, always has been on my cars :-)
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Rusty old S wrote:Your PTF tape idea will probably work , I used this on my oil cooler pipe the other day as had small weep and any amount of tightening did not stop it, now alls good, its worth a try . After all hydro pressure is not that high, Got to get there next Sunday
hydro pressure is 230+ psi.
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madaboutcherry wrote:
Rusty old S wrote:Your PTF tape idea will probably work , I used this on my oil cooler pipe the other day as had small weep and any amount of tightening did not stop it, now alls good, its worth a try . After all hydro pressure is not that high, Got to get there next Sunday
hydro pressure is 230+ psi.
I also had problem with slight weep from the connector block which bolts to the rear subframe. Even nipping this up really tight did not cure the weep.
Used some Loctite hydraulic sealant on it, after taking apart and cleaning then reassembling with the sealant. This did the trick and has been dry for over 5 years.
If this is useful and you need to know the Loctite product code let me know and I will dig it out.
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carbon wrote: If this is useful and you need to know the Loctite product code let me know and I will dig it out.

Very much so and yes please! Taking it in tomorrow for hopefully swift repair...... Beaulieu is in the balance!

Did you do all 4 corners? Only one of mine is leaking..... Right in amongst the brake pipes so they may need dismantling too!

Will suggest ptfe to the garage but would be useful to mention your hydraulic sealer too....

Thank you
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