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This auction description is a work of fiction and a pretty outrageous attempt to deceive a potential buyer into parting with a big lump of cash based on a highly misleading description of a car that has absolutely NO connection with DJB 93B the works RAC winner. Are the MCR going to step in and stop this or sit on their hands as usual then complain about it afterwards? I think we all know the answer.Pete wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:01 pm The toxic potato nobody wants to keep very long is back once again. Round and round it goes, who’s pants will it pull down next nobody knows! But of course the experts who could stop it will just sit on their hands as usual with the standard statement that “well everybody knows about that” and “it’s a lovely car” which we all know and nobody disputes. Nuff said.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1511423
Yes the grille is sitting proud of the moustache - something about it does look the wrong shape...Old English White wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:09 pm
Why does the front end - around the grille - look so crooked on that '59 Mini
Nothing really seems to line up at all, maybe the front panel has been re-fitted on the piss ?surfblue63 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:48 pm The front view show what is most likely the problem, the grille surround has been fitted on the wonk, a bit low on the right, which has also impacted the moustache. probably be a pain to fix if all the clip holes are out of alignment.
You’re kidding Al!Pandora wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:19 pm I think that snippet could indeed mislead the uneducated buyer, Pete, but I would say that the passage in the full description is not too bad - the Auctioneer's job is to sell the car as well as possible, and the buyer's job is to do their own research - on that basis, I think the following passage is not a misleading reflection of the car (and very carefully worded):
'DJB 93B' rolled into retirement from Abingdon Competitions Department service during the 1966 Gulf London Rally and was not seen again until 1986. By 1991, ownership had transferred from clubman Jeff Wilson to Mini Machine of Darlington, from whom the project was taken on in 1996 by the highly respected and very successful Works Rally co-driver and subsequent World Rally Team Manager (Toyota, Mitsubishi etc) Phil Short, who commissioned a total restoration to original 'Works' specification. A correct and fully restored Mk1 body shell was employed, though with double-skinned exhaust tunnel, floor under driver's feet and cross-member, strengthened bulkhead steady bar bracket, steering rack mounts and rear shocker mounts all being to Abingdon specification. Although run initially in hydrolastic form, like most works Minis of the day, the car was given 'dry' suspension in period and is in this form today. Parts were sourced by marque specialist John Kelly while Simon Wheatcroft's workshop was responsible for the detailed build.
If a buyer doesn't do their homework, I think they would struggle to argue this was misrepresentation? Quite what was restored, well, I think we all know, and it came from Swansea.
As you know, I share many of your views on the dreaded red and white cars, I've sold a couple (and Abingdon Healeys), researched a few others, and I think this car has been well documented, and had more misleading descriptions in the past.
I also share many of your views on those who have had a hand in the current issues surrounding these cars.
Al
They very clearly say it’s the car that won the 1965 RAC Rally, and that it was rebuilt after “retirement”. Neither statement is true! There was no car to rebuild and that’s not the RAC winner! Can’t be any simpler. I could fill a book with waffle about how well built it is, how correct it is, how lovely it looks but it’s still got zero connection to the RAC winner, a car which does not survive! Someone get me a Horlicks I'm going to bed ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzPete wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:56 pmYou’re kidding Al!Pandora wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:19 pm I think that snippet could indeed mislead the uneducated buyer, Pete, but I would say that the passage in the full description is not too bad - the Auctioneer's job is to sell the car as well as possible, and the buyer's job is to do their own research - on that basis, I think the following passage is not a misleading reflection of the car (and very carefully worded):
'DJB 93B' rolled into retirement from Abingdon Competitions Department service during the 1966 Gulf London Rally and was not seen again until 1986. By 1991, ownership had transferred from clubman Jeff Wilson to Mini Machine of Darlington, from whom the project was taken on in 1996 by the highly respected and very successful Works Rally co-driver and subsequent World Rally Team Manager (Toyota, Mitsubishi etc) Phil Short, who commissioned a total restoration to original 'Works' specification. A correct and fully restored Mk1 body shell was employed, though with double-skinned exhaust tunnel, floor under driver's feet and cross-member, strengthened bulkhead steady bar bracket, steering rack mounts and rear shocker mounts all being to Abingdon specification. Although run initially in hydrolastic form, like most works Minis of the day, the car was given 'dry' suspension in period and is in this form today. Parts were sourced by marque specialist John Kelly while Simon Wheatcroft's workshop was responsible for the detailed build.
If a buyer doesn't do their homework, I think they would struggle to argue this was misrepresentation? Quite what was restored, well, I think we all know, and it came from Swansea.
As you know, I share many of your views on the dreaded red and white cars, I've sold a couple (and Abingdon Healeys), researched a few others, and I think this car has been well documented, and had more misleading descriptions in the past.
I also share many of your views on those who have had a hand in the current issues surrounding these cars.
Al
This is like the Dead Parrot sketch!
Jeff Wilson who stuck the number on his rally car , John Kelly and even Peter Browning himself were all pretty clear about it from day one! Seems very clear to me, maybe it’s the tons of wonga involved every time it sells that seems to cloud others views!
I agreemk1 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:27 pm https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334597349771 ... name=11002
I reckon someone got a bargain!
His very early Cooper S was "sold" at the end of auctions a few times wasn't it - only to re-appear again. And again....Copy and Paste then it is doneTherapy282 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:48 pm Hi Don’t no how to do link but there is a rough 59 at anglia ?
