"'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

General Chat with an emphasis on BMC Minis & Other iconic cars of the 1960's.
User avatar
trevorhp
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 929
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:38 pm
Location: Taunton Somerset UK Formerly Kingswinford
Has thanked: 16 times
Been thanked: 9 times
Contact:

"'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by trevorhp »

Working away today rebuiding my 1955 Triumph TR2 after a comprehensive restoration, so need a bit of light relief following a difficult day, so far.
Please feel free to add your own versions of the following 'law' which always seem to apply to me:

'Any item dropped whilst working on any vehicle, car/van/pickup/estate/SUV etc. rolls or bounces directly under the vehicle coming to rest at a distance from the perimeter of the vehicle, exactly 1.1 x the arm length of the arms of any peson within shouting distance of the person working on the vehicle'
"Ambition: the first step on the road to disappointment" Homer. J. Simpson
"Disappointment: the first step on the road to enlightenment" Buddha
"Enlightenment: the first step on the road to ambition" Dalai Lama

No point in hoping to go to Heaven...... I won't know anyone there.
KDK 320F
HDK 443E
DJJ 226H
TFD 47G
PKV 375
I x 1967 originally Red since 1968 Blue,Ex-Race Cooper S Bodyshell only have Commission plate as ID.
1 x chassis 007 1967 Cox GTM
User avatar
gs.davies
Site Admin
Posts: 1790
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:29 pm
Location: Essex, UK
Has thanked: 77 times
Been thanked: 80 times
Contact:

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by gs.davies »

There is an inverse law that relates to the criticality of any dropped piece. The more critical it is to completing a job, the more likely it will teleport to the ‘Universe Of Lost Things the vey moment it falls from grip.
User avatar
trevorhp
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 929
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:38 pm
Location: Taunton Somerset UK Formerly Kingswinford
Has thanked: 16 times
Been thanked: 9 times
Contact:

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by trevorhp »

There is an inverse law that relates to the criticality of any dropped piece. The more critical it is to completing a job, the more likely it will teleport to the ‘Universe Of Lost Things the vey moment it falls from grip.
[/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
"Ambition: the first step on the road to disappointment" Homer. J. Simpson
"Disappointment: the first step on the road to enlightenment" Buddha
"Enlightenment: the first step on the road to ambition" Dalai Lama

No point in hoping to go to Heaven...... I won't know anyone there.
KDK 320F
HDK 443E
DJJ 226H
TFD 47G
PKV 375
I x 1967 originally Red since 1968 Blue,Ex-Race Cooper S Bodyshell only have Commission plate as ID.
1 x chassis 007 1967 Cox GTM
User avatar
Pandora
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 3118
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:01 pm
Location: Dunfermline, Fife
Been thanked: 4 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by Pandora »

Newton's 42 law "Any object's weight increases proportionate to the distance it is being carried"

Al
mk1
Site Admin
Posts: 19835
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:30 am
Location: Away with the Faries
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 10 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by mk1 »

The heavier an item, the more likely it is to land on your foot.
360gts
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 3088
Joined: Sat May 24, 2014 7:12 am
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 61 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by 360gts »

And don't forget 'Murphy's Law'

Also, my rebuild shop has a 'third' person.....he/she/it is lurking under the car......eats anything that falls from the nearby bench. :lol:
GraemeC
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 2289
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:05 pm
Location: Hiding From The Dog... NW Eng
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by GraemeC »

Items will only become useful once discarded (or confirmed lost).
Timescales between item being skipped and being useful will be inversely proportional to length of time they were been stored for.

(did anyone else open this thread with impending dread as to what the DVLA/DVLC have dreamt up now?!)
Last edited by GraemeC on Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:38 pm, edited 2 times in total.
mk1
Site Admin
Posts: 19835
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:30 am
Location: Away with the Faries
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 10 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by mk1 »

(did anyone else open this thread with impending dread as to what the DVLA/DVLC have dreamed up now?!)

I did :lol: :lol:
User avatar
MiNiKiN
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 1010
Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:15 pm
Location: Graz/Austria // NN1 4ST previously
Has thanked: 95 times
Been thanked: 31 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by MiNiKiN »

GraemeC wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:49 pm (did anyone else open this thread with impending dread as to what the DVLA/DVLC have dreamt up now?!)
I did :lol: but hence it's way better than expected
Yes I am a nerd: I am researching the Austrian Mini-racing scene of the 60s and 70s :ugeek:
User avatar
tweedy998
998 Cooper
Posts: 260
Joined: Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:55 am
Location: West Yorkshire/Lancashire, UK
Has thanked: 1 time

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by tweedy998 »

mk1 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:55 pm (did anyone else open this thread with impending dread as to what the DVLA/DVLC have dreamed up now?!)

I did :lol: :lol:
Me too... :lol:

Back on topic though, at the weekend I decided to get one of my old Renaults out from it's winter hibernation and do some spring preparations for getting back on the road. Beavering away under the bonnet with a rag and an aerosol of ACF-50, I accidentally knock the aerosol lid down the front of the engine, it lodges itself on the oil filter. No bother I think and try and extricate it with some long nose pliers, which duly have the opposite effect, sending it tumbling underneath the engine. But, there's an under tray so it fails to tumble conveniently out onto the drive.. No bother I think and start rolling around under the car to remove the under tray. That done, I manage to retrieve the offending lid and begin refitting the tray, which brings forth some particularly choice language as it's saturated in slippery power steering fluid (don't ask...) and is a tricky combination of plastic clips into the subframe and a couple of bolts. I eventually wrestle it into place do up one of the bolts and try the other, which turns out has bizarrely stripped itself on it's way out. So, I try something stupid with a cable tie for ten minutes before deciding an actual proper nut would be the proper solution and spend a good half an hour searching for one the correct size and pitch in the jam jars... All for one dropped lid.
1965 Tweed Grey Mk1 Morris Cooper 998
mk1
Site Admin
Posts: 19835
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:30 am
Location: Away with the Faries
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 10 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by mk1 »

Another one that I have experienced first hand on a number of occasions is;

The performance & reliability of any engine built is inversely proportional to the amount of time, expense & care gone into the assembly of said engine.
Polarsilver
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 2949
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:22 pm
Location: Silverstone not far away
Has thanked: 40 times
Been thanked: 55 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by Polarsilver »

I also wondered what the DVLA were up to now .. After last weeks DVLA experience when my Driving Licence Renewal application was returned because some idiot Doctor did not tick one box on the D4 Form that i paid her to fill out.
However back to this subject .. current Pickup Rebuilt has been a real sod of a job as "this Pickup" has decided to "Fight me" on almost every aspect during the rebuild.. a right b......d thing but we are getting there.. I think Saloons have a much better attitude than a commercial :roll:
User avatar
trevorhp
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 929
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:38 pm
Location: Taunton Somerset UK Formerly Kingswinford
Has thanked: 16 times
Been thanked: 9 times
Contact:

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by trevorhp »

GraemeC wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:49 pm Items will only become useful once discarded (or confirmed lost).
Timescales between item being skipped and being useful will be inversely proportional to length of time they were been stored for.

(did anyone else open this thread with impending dread as to what the DVLA/DVLC have dreamt up now?!)
I thought it might generate a few extra views if the title was open to interpretation :lol: ;)
"Ambition: the first step on the road to disappointment" Homer. J. Simpson
"Disappointment: the first step on the road to enlightenment" Buddha
"Enlightenment: the first step on the road to ambition" Dalai Lama

No point in hoping to go to Heaven...... I won't know anyone there.
KDK 320F
HDK 443E
DJJ 226H
TFD 47G
PKV 375
I x 1967 originally Red since 1968 Blue,Ex-Race Cooper S Bodyshell only have Commission plate as ID.
1 x chassis 007 1967 Cox GTM
User avatar
robanzac
Basic 850
Posts: 73
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:09 am
Location: New Zealand
Has thanked: 2 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by robanzac »

We have had Murphy's law:
If anything can go wrong it will go wrong

The corollary to this is Sod's Law:
The going wrong always occurs at a time that causes maximum inconvenience.
Rob
User avatar
robanzac
Basic 850
Posts: 73
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:09 am
Location: New Zealand
Has thanked: 2 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by robanzac »

Probably applicable to car modifiers more so than restorers:

“Improvement” means deterioration
and
More means worse

Both of which I have been guilty (e.g unwise cams, louder exhausts, fat wheels ...)
Rob
hanlminiman
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 1375
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:12 pm
Location: North Cotswolds, close to Prescott & Shelsley Walsh hill climb venues by Stratford upon Avon UK and
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 37 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by hanlminiman »

Never work on a gravel driveway without a sheet under the working area or ready access to a magnet!
User avatar
robanzac
Basic 850
Posts: 73
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:09 am
Location: New Zealand
Has thanked: 2 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by robanzac »

General law applicable to probably everything (though you may disagree)

For every opinion there is an equal and opposite opinion
Rob
User avatar
Joel Welsh 4769VU
850 Super
Posts: 217
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:54 pm
Location: Wauseon, Ohio, USA
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by Joel Welsh 4769VU »

No matter how well you organize, categorize, pack, label and store all your parts for your project or restoration
....

There always will be one important bolt, that holds a highly neccessary part that the car won't work without- MISSING!
Wauseon, Ohio- United States
1964 mk1 Austin Cooper "Dianna"
Tartan red and black
I can't take credit for what others built- all I can do is try to put her back on the road. :shock:

You just can't fix stupid... you can hide it sometimes though... :lol:
jakethepeg
850 Super
Posts: 145
Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:24 am
Location: johannesburg

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by jakethepeg »

robanzac wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:37 pm We have had Murphy's law:
If anything can go wrong it will go wrong

The corollary to this is Sod's Law:
The going wrong always occurs at a time that causes maximum inconvenience.
[/quote

There is also Coles Law....chopped up cabbage 😋
Current vehicles
Morris Mini 850 1962
1973 Citroen DS 23 Pallas
1971 Renault 4L
Moncayo motorhome
66 Mini pick up sold
1969 Moke sold
1960 Wolseley 6/99 sold
Ford Duetto Camper sold
Peugeot Boxer motorhome sold
User avatar
Peter Laidler
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 6434
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:35 pm
Location: Abingdon Oxfordshire
Has thanked: 150 times
Been thanked: 137 times

Re: "'Laws' relating to rebuilding cars !!

Post by Peter Laidler »

And don't forget the THREE FACTOR that states the the job will take
THREE times as long
THREE times the expected cost,
THREE times the aggro and grief and
THREE times as difficult

I conveniently - or IN-conveniently - forgot those ground rules every time
Post Reply