Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post any technical questions or queries here.
Post Reply
bwaminispeed
998 Cooper
Posts: 609
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:05 am

Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by bwaminispeed »

Here's mine out of my current daily driver, 79 Gumby Green (Java) with pretty much bog standard 1300 at .020 over, standard 630 camshaft, and, single 1.5 SU with GB needle.......

Pluggs are NGK BPR6EY-II

Ignition is standard points, carbon cables, and, Lucas 12v Sport Coil, nothing fancy......

Plugs are just over 8,000 Kilometres, and, just off a 10 Kilometre thrash (never knew it would do 120 KPH in 3rd gear)......

I think they look pretty good.....
Gumby-BPR6EY-II-.055-Gap-01.jpg
Gumby-BPR6EY-II-.055-Gap-02.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
User avatar
pdb
850 Super
Posts: 210
Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:18 pm
Location: Ringsted, Denmark

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by pdb »

Is it me, or does the gaps seem a bit big and uneven :?:
bwaminispeed
998 Cooper
Posts: 609
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:05 am

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by bwaminispeed »

Gap is indeed big, on purpose.......I run them at .055, nice big fat spark, nice idle, no misfire, coil runs cool, despite what some say.......

Started running wide gaps (.035 back then) almost as soon as I started driving in the late 60s, have no idea where I got the idea/information to do that, being no internet full of information back then.......About every 5-10 years, I'd bump it up another .005", then the Wizard book came out, and, kinda said, 'Yeah, wide gaps work"........About 2000 or so, I whacked them right up to .055", and have been there ever since.......

The unevenness is just camera distortion........
DB1380
850 Super
Posts: 154
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:00 am
Location: 10 miles from Ipswich Suffolk

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by DB1380 »

bwaminispeed wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:01 pm Gap is indeed big, on purpose.......I run them at .055, nice big fat spark, nice idle, no misfire, coil runs cool, despite what some say.......

Started running wide gaps (.035 back then) almost as soon as I started driving in the late 60s, have no idea where I got the idea/information to do that, being no internet full of information back then.......About every 5-10 years, I'd bump it up another .005", then the Wizard book came out, and, kinda said, 'Yeah, wide gaps work"........About 2000 or so, I whacked them right up to .055", and have been there ever since.......

The unevenness is just camera distortion........
Very interesting that. You read so much about plugs these days..this that and the other. Im up for giving a wide gap ago.
Time to get the Feelers out..lol
Cheers Dicky.

KPB 729C 65 Mini Minor 1380
bwaminispeed
998 Cooper
Posts: 609
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:05 am

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by bwaminispeed »

Not many people know, but, the II after the plug number (on NGK plugs) indicates a wide gap plug, they are good up to .065 gap if you have the ignition to fire that large a gap, which, many modern cars do.......

Not sure if other manufacturers make specific Wide Gap plugs........
bwaminispeed
998 Cooper
Posts: 609
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:05 am

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by bwaminispeed »

If you are going to do that, make sure your ignition system is right up to scratch......

I would recommend starting at .045, especially if running a Standard Lucas coil, and, run the car for a while, and, see how the car performs for you....

I would really recommend the NGK BPR6EY-II plugs, very reliable, long lasting, and, wider heat range than most plugs.......

The plugs in the pic have done over 8,000 Kilometres, and, are good for at least that many more......
GraemeC
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 2288
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:05 pm
Location: Hiding From The Dog... NW Eng
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by GraemeC »

The -11 means they come pre-gapped at 1.1mm (0.44")
-15 is pre-gapped at 1.5mm (0.60") and is the widest they do.
bwaminispeed
998 Cooper
Posts: 609
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:05 am

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by bwaminispeed »

That's good information, thanks.....

Next time, I'll see if I can find some 15s, and knock them down .005"
GraemeC
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 2288
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:05 pm
Location: Hiding From The Dog... NW Eng
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by GraemeC »

-14 will be what you’re after ideally

https://www.sparkplugs.com/Data/uploads ... hart_1.jpg
Fanfaniracing
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 1340
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:11 am
Location: Somewhere west Switzerland...
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 22 times

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by Fanfaniracing »

I have just taken out these:
85D5058C-95E6-4937-99B9-CF7B352823E7.jpeg
Bit lean?

What's your opinion?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
I promise i won't buy another MkI...
bwaminispeed
998 Cooper
Posts: 609
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:05 am

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by bwaminispeed »

To me, those look about perfect for normal everyday tootling about and occasional brisk acceleration, maybe a touch lean if you are constantly hard on the pedal......

If the car runs smoothly with no missfires or pinging, you are probably about right on.....

Gap looks about .035, personally, I would open them up a bit to at least .045. As stated in my original post, I run them at .055......
Fanfaniracing
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 1340
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:11 am
Location: Somewhere west Switzerland...
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 22 times

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by Fanfaniracing »

Thanks for your opinion!

The car is a freshly built up 1293 with original Head, SW5, HS6 and Innocenti Exhaust system.

It runs perfect, no misfire, no holes in acceleration no nothing.

Just wondered why the spark plugs are so (in my feelings...) blaze...

May have to tune the needle a bit.

Thanks for reply!
I promise i won't buy another MkI...
bwaminispeed
998 Cooper
Posts: 609
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:05 am

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by bwaminispeed »

They also look like they haven't done many miles, maybe not enough to develop full colour???
Fanfaniracing
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 1340
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:11 am
Location: Somewhere west Switzerland...
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 22 times

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by Fanfaniracing »

Prety much exactly 370 miles

When i took them out this midday, they were darker...

Now took them out from a 10 mile run
I promise i won't buy another MkI...
Terence
850 Super
Posts: 233
Joined: Tue May 26, 2020 1:36 am

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by Terence »

.....
Last edited by Terence on Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
IslandBlue
998 Cooper
Posts: 367
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:58 pm
Location: Sussex by the sea - we wunt be druv...

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by IslandBlue »

Here's mine on a 1293 with standard ignition (45D), S profile cam with a standard head, HIF44 and K&N element in a modified standard housing. This in a 1989 Mini City although there's not much of the City left in truth... Not sure if I can talk about that on a Mk1 forum although it is a 12G949 block which I think is 60s albeit not Mini...

Done about 1,200 miles since rebuild, haven't quite made the rolling road yet what with current environment (essential journey? :? )

Gap is .035 from memory, not heard about the wider gap theory before!

Drives pretty well, possibly a little lean at the top end as it runs out of puff, but that might just be the head.... Set up with (i.e. by :) ) my friend Paul (Floormanager) who also very kindly rebuilt the gearbox and bolted it all together - top man.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
User avatar
dodge44
998 Cooper
Posts: 567
Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:21 pm
Location: Dorset

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by dodge44 »

IslandBlue wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 pm Here's mine on a 1293 with standard ignition (45D), S profile cam with a standard head, HIF44 and K&N element in a modified standard housing. This in a 1989 Mini City although there's not much of the City left in truth... Not sure if I can talk about that on a Mk1 forum although it is a 12G949 block which I think is 60s albeit not Mini...

<snip>
Rare engine block - Thin flange 12G949 casting dates from 1965 and is the earliest solid wall 1275 block. Initial use was as an in-line engine on MG Midgets / AH Sprites but in late 1967 the first transverse application appeared on ADO16 1300's but was short lived as the far more common thick flange 12G1279 casting soon replaced it. Have only seen 10 stud / 1 bolt engines in the 12H/199/xxxx series with the thin flange block. Be intrigued to know is there are any 9 stud versions out there as if so what engine number series?
IslandBlue
998 Cooper
Posts: 367
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:58 pm
Location: Sussex by the sea - we wunt be druv...

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by IslandBlue »

dodge44 wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:55 am
IslandBlue wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 pm Here's mine on a 1293 with standard ignition (45D), S profile cam with a standard head, HIF44 and K&N element in a modified standard housing. This in a 1989 Mini City although there's not much of the City left in truth... Not sure if I can talk about that on a Mk1 forum although it is a 12G949 block which I think is 60s albeit not Mini...

<snip>
Rare engine block - Thin flange 12G949 casting dates from 1965 and is the earliest solid wall 1275 block. Initial use was as an in-line engine on MG Midgets / AH Sprites but in late 1967 the first transverse application appeared on ADO16 1300's but was short lived as the far more common thick flange 12G1279 casting soon replaced it. Have only seen 10 stud / 1 bolt engines in the 12H/199/xxxx series with the thin flange block. Be intrigued to know is there are any 9 stud versions out there as if so what engine number series?
That's interesting, mine is definitely 9 stud but no idea what the original engine number was or what it came out of. Seller suggested 1275GT but that seems unlikely unless it found its way into a car as a reconditioned lump.
Fanfaniracing
1275 Cooper S
Posts: 1340
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:11 am
Location: Somewhere west Switzerland...
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 22 times

Re: Show us your plugs, dirty or clean, doesn't mater.......

Post by Fanfaniracing »

Pulled this out this morning.

What's your thoughts?

Good?
94A12039-F7E1-499D-8387-30F6B184BD93.jpeg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
I promise i won't buy another MkI...
Post Reply