Goodwood Revival

[racemini.nl]

Well after visiting BMW a while ago, they where very proud of beeing able to compete at Goodwood. It was their and spoke to Friedrich and the 2 former F1 mechanics. It suprised me that they where thinking F1 style for the mini. But had many problems in testing. One of them was with the wheelbearings. So that's maybe the problem Claudia had in the first race. I wasn't there to watch them race. To bad.


They are really working on the Heritage of the Classic Mini. As on one of there homepages they say they want to diliver also parts for the mini, but that's not true. They know that there are many source where to get the materials from. So no go for BMW in that part.

I know they used a Brain Slark engine. But never touched the engine. At the moment we where there they even didn't know how much HP it had. ?????? strange.

Hope to update more on this.

Roald.

[hanlminiman]

Sandman wrote "How idiotic of BMW to stick their car full of modern stripes and sponsor/partner stickers.. So completely out of place in an event like the Goodwood Revival."

As a young enthusiast in the 1960's I remember well wanting to put stripes on the car just like the competition Minis and Anglias at the time. Stickers were also being used as sponsorship was arriving big time so they are not a modern invention. I also thought that competition numbers had to a regulation size but we are talking Goodwood Revival.

Mel Drew

[mab01uk]

Me? I'm a 'glass half full' kind of guy.

Me too..........

Apologies Pandora..........with hindsight I should not have quoted your post, the subtlety of peoples comments does not always come across well on forums, especially after reading fairly negative thoughts from others previously.

[Pete]

I agree that the logos creeping onto cars at Goodwood is a bloody shame, the BMW car being the worst example. It's a pre '66 event and Logos were restricted to tiny scripts back in the day , cars were not plastered with advertising as they were in the late 60's and that's not been a feature of , nor in the spirit of the Revival since I've been going. It must be very tempting to stick large advertising logos on cars as the Revival's a mahoosive shop window and it remains to be seen if it develops more so in years to come. I think Nick Mason's GTO will look quite nice with Tesco on the side don't you ?

[Pandora]

Adrian Newey's lightweight E type appeared with large 'Red bull' logos on the sides a couple of years back. they were there on the Friday practice session, but he was told / asked to remove them for the next day, so fingers crossed.

Al

[racemini.nl]

Here a little answer from Friedrich.

Hello Roald,
thank you for your mail and your commentaries, that’s right that we lost the left hand front wheel, but it was Jörg during his qualifying session in his fourth lap. He qualified the Mini on position 13. Claudia had during the race a gear shifting problem (2 to 3 gear) and a problem with the fuel system, she had to stop the car in the final lap. Jörg did a very good job and finished on position 10 overall. I believe it was for both, Claudia and Jörg, impossible to go the speed of Nick Swift. Regarding the stickers on the car, these are reproductions of old stickers from the sixties and seventies. The new SCHROTH sticker was not on the car.

Kind regards
Friedrich

I like the go-faster stickers on the car. But maybe the decals for racing number could be out of place for this race. I think it's to the driver-owners opinion how to make the car look good. That includes for some people stickers they don't like on a car. But that's my opinion.

[almondgreen]

Regarding the stickers on the car, these are reproductions of old stickers from the sixties and seventies

It's a pre '66 event and Logos were restricted to tiny scripts back in the day

[DD50]

Re the negativity surrounding the BMW Mini, without looking again at the individual posts on this topic, my impression was that, generally, there was a bit of unseemly gloating going on about the lack of success of the factory effort.

If this wasn't the case then good.

I'm with the later posters on here who say well done to the Bavarians. And let's not forget that the Goodwood event (which I attended all the way from Edinburgh for the second time and enjoyed thoroughly) is also a great commercial showcase for Nick Swift (see the SWIFTUNE ENG signwriting on the marvellous Mini) and his business - and nothing wrong with that either.

So far as as the colour scheme, stripes and stickers on the BMW Mini is concerned, it's not to my taste but writing as an oldie who acquired his first (of eight eventually) Mini in 1967 I can recall, in my tasteless youth, wanting stickers and the like on my Mini too.

Derek Douglas

[Pete]

Re 'Stickergate' ...

The only point I was trying to make wasn't that I don't like stickers or stripes it's the the fact that the Revival's always been about pre '66 (or alternately pre '60) motor racing, painstakingly so and recreates a simpler time of sparse commercialism when cars were not covered in sponsorship or advertising, it's been that way since the start , check any old Revival or even period race shots for evidence. 1966 was of course the last year of racing at Goodwood and the last year of Gp2 racing where saloons looked just like showroom cars, maybe in team colours or the odd small team script on (like Broadspeed etc). Wholesale advertising on race cars came in the late 60's, if Goodwood want to allow competitors to start plastering cars with advertising (which I very much doubt !) it's their call nobody else's but definately does break away from their pre '66 tradition and the great lengths they go to to get 'the look' so right across the whole event. I just think BMW showed a little bit of ignorance in that department with all the sponsorship logos which looked completely out of place.

I have to say though if Goodwood do want to expand the Revival to a later period it'd be great to see some Mk2 Minis, Escorts and Imps in action for a feckin change !

[guru_1071]

i think some of the 'gloating' comes from the fact that someone else 'lost out' on the chance to race at goodwood as bmw didnt have to jump through any of the hoops required by 'normal folk' to get an entry.

all they had to do was build a car and turn up, only for a wheel to fall off, not once, but twice. then ran out of petrol in the third race - its not really the polished performance that shines a good light on anybody, let alone a 'dealer team'

if i was the person who had raced for years, gone to all the test days, done everything that the goodwood machine expects of normal people to be considered for an entry id be laughing my arse off......


as a 'retired' racer who will never in a million years be considered 'suitable for goodwood' i think its great that bmw are making the effort - its just a shame that they got caught out through a lack of knowledge about old minis and race knowledge

[Pete]

i think some of the 'gloating' comes from the fact that someone else 'lost out' on the chance to race at goodwood as bmw didnt have to jump through any of the hoops required by 'normal folk' to get an entry.

all they had to do was build a car and turn up, only for a wheel to fall off, not once, but twice. then ran out of petrol in the third race - its not really the polished performance that shines a good light on anybody, let alone a 'dealer team'

if i was the person who had raced for years, gone to all the test days, done everything that the goodwood machine expects of normal people to be considered for an entry id be laughing my arse off......


as a 'retired' racer who will never in a million years be considered 'suitable for goodwood' i think its great that bmw are making the effort - its just a shame that they got caught out through a lack of knowledge about old minis and race knowledge

Agree with all of that and I do wonder why if they were on such a steep learning curve they didn't just go to Swifty for an engine ?

[Giff]

At £15K plus I can understand why they didnt..

[guru_1071]

Agree with all of that and I do wonder why if they were on such a steep learning curve they didn't just go to Swifty for an engine ?

i dont think the slark engine (or the service they received from slarks) was ever a problem, the issues they had with it pre goodwood where caused by fuel choice, once that misunderstanding was sorted its been fine.

stuff like always checking the splitpins, knowing which componenets to life, which to change as a consequence of another failing etc only comes from familiarity of the breed and years of working on them

[almondgreen]

I have been told that they bought two engines for the mini, each for 15.000 Euro

[YMJ]

At £15K plus I can understand why they didnt..

£15k ???????????? You'll be lucky - at that price I'll have two!

i think some of the 'gloating' comes from the fact that someone else 'lost out' on the chance to race at goodwood as bmw didnt have to jump through any of the hoops required by 'normal folk' to get an entry.

all they had to do was build a car and turn up, only for a wheel to fall off, not once, but twice. then ran out of petrol in the third race - its not really the polished performance that shines a good light on anybody, let alone a 'dealer team'

if i was the person who had raced for years, gone to all the test days, done everything that the goodwood machine expects of normal people to be considered for an entry id be laughing my arse off......


as a 'retired' racer who will never in a million years be considered 'suitable for goodwood' i think its great that bmw are making the effort - its just a shame that they got caught out through a lack of knowledge about old minis and race knowledge

A very balanced and far more eloquent way of putting it. My "thing" about the BMW entry resulted in my writing quite a few rants that, mercifully, I never got around to finally posting, which would have offended a few people I'm sure, and made me look a bit of a berk.

However, if I can be pragmatic for a moment, it was a bit of a daft idea to turn up to a meeting like Goodwood without (any?) testing or serious shakedown time. Bits didn't stop falling off mine until about the third outing and as I mentioned in a previous post, Swifty hasn't just come down with the last shower.....no one has put as much time and effort into pulling out a good distance between him and the nearest oppostion. Also I had a pretty good look at the (BMW) car on Saturday and I'm very surprised it got through it's HTP inspection with some of the suspension components it was carrying.....or maybe I'm not

[racemini.nl]

Regarding the suspension:

Yes When we where there we said that this is no good. BMW fixed it by welding (as I'm tolld). So not changeable. It was one of the points.

The ride hight was at the moment of our visit was just 6cm. Fia regulations say 10cm ?? I hope they fixed that as well.

The sticker gate - If the regulations say that it should not carry any sponsorship stickers then okay the comment is okay for me.

But still I like the efford BMW had put into it to compete at this event. That they came fairly easy to the event is because they know the Lord. Also the TICI BMW is from BMW Group Classic.


BMW had bought 2 engine's from slark. Price I don't know.

[Normal bloke]

Regarding the suspension:

Yes When we where there we said that this is no good. BMW fixed it by welding (as I'm tolld). So not changeable. It was one of the points.

The ride hight was at the moment of our visit was just 6cm. Fia regulations say 10cm ?? I hope they fixed that as well.

The sticker gate - If the regulations say that it should not carry any sponsorship stickers then okay the comment is okay for me.

But still I like the efford BMW had put into it to compete at this event. That they came fairly easy to the event is because they know the Lord. Also the TICI BMW is from BMW Group Classic.


BMW had bought 2 engine's from slark. Price I don't know.

Oh dear!

1. If you're building an FIA car, it's useful to know the rules before you get to enter it into an actual race.

2. 6cm ride height? Does it actually possess an HTP, I wonder?

3. Stickergate. The roundels and chequertape pattern are copied directly from the modern race and rally entries specifically (in my view) to connect the two and form a conscious/subconscious link between the nostaglic 1960s days of glory and the 2011 models - i.e. with a view to selling more cars today. Tacky

4. So BMW got in fairly easily because they know the Lord......Oh well that's alright, then

I think you should stop digging, friend.

[racemini.nl]

@normal bloke

1. They had the FIA regulations there. Some scruteneer helped them to build up the car. saying that's okay that's not. How they read the regultaions I don't know. At the time of ou visit we just looked at the car and pointed some things on the car out that where not to the FIA regulations. What they did with it, I don't know.

2. HTP I don't know but I hope for them yes. But I think they changed the ride height to 10cm.

3. read my earlier coment. some stickers could be out of place.

4. I didn't say that's alright (but it happens every where).

5. I'm happy I have new friend. Thnx Normal bloke

[Giff]

I love "stickergate"

[scott]

I didn't think Goodwood actually enforced FIA Appendix K regs?? Maybe I am mistaken?

Scott