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Minki-1 (1992) & Minki-2 (1995) Development Story questions?

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I am sure many members of the Mk1 Forum know the interesting story of the Minki 1 & II development of a new Mini concept under Rover and later BMW, as detailed here on the excellent 'Austin Memories' website.
Link to the full story:
http://www.austinmemories.com/styled-29/index.html

Some time ago Pete Bourne, one of the technicians who worked on both the Minki's, posted in my original 2009 thread on the TMF forum and today he has emailed me to say he has been very ill but is now ready and willing to answer any questions people may have about the Minki projects....and his time working for British Leyland/Austin Rover/ Rover and MG-Rover for 27 years in the Chassis Development department.

Here are his original forum messages below.....seems like a good opportunity for us to get some interesting stories and details from the 'inside'. I will try to get Pete to join the Mk1 forum so he can post directly in this thread as well as the TMF thread.
Perhaps Pete can also be persuaded to be interviewed or write an article for Miniworld or Mini Magazine? 8-)

Pete Bourne (TMF 14 May 2014)
Hi People,
"I was one of the technicians who worked on both Minki's. Minki 1 was crushed by the bean counters. It was only when BMW took over that there was a sudden rush to show them Minki and so Minki 2 was born. I remember the day before John Towers was going to drive it. I was in one of the Gaydon workshops frantically getting the suspension rebuilt. I was still there at two O'clock in the morning. For info.. both Minki's were developed and built at Longbridge with the body in white being done at Canley. If anyone wants to ask questions feel free while I still have a few brain cells remaining."
Cheers
Pete

Pete Bourne (TMF 02 Dec 2015)
"Oh dear,,,, Sorry guys, I have only just re-found my old message. Been a busy year and to top it off I have very ill with a brain hemorrhage. If anyone does have any questions about Minki or any of the other stuff we were involved in just fire away (or just wants to say hello), my email is bournepete@yahoo.co.uk. I worked for British Leyland/Austin Rover/ Rover and MGRover for 27 glorious years and was fortunate to work in the best department.... Chassis Development. Magic, fun and very interesting times."

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Minki-I
"The thinking behind the replacement for the Mini started back in about 1992, while under the ownership of British Aerospace and called at that time The Rover Group.
So how was the name MINKI arrived at, simple, put a ‘K’ series engine into a Mini and you have MINKI.
At the time the general feeling was that because the design was then thirty three years old, technology had moved on so much, and with new legislation on emissions and crash testing etc., that it was best to start with a clean sheet."

The first part of the concept stage was to do an appraisal of the current Mini and see how improvements could be made.

1) Improve the powerunit, by installing the ‘K’ series engine with a 5-speed gearbox
2) Improve the suspension, by installing hydragas suspension.
3) Improve the driving position, by installing better seats, altering the rake of the steering column, and along with the fascia / controls
4) Improve its overall luggage capacity, by making it into a hatchback and altering the rear end package.

Minki-II
"1995 arrived, and so did BMW! They were surprised that we had such a strong brand of Mini, but no plans to do anything with it. Plans for a new Mini were required, and a ‘competition’ was set up, for later on in 1995, to decide on the route forward.
It was decided that a part of that event should be a vehicle that represented what current Mini could have become if investment and development had been put into the Mini over many years. This vehicle would then act as a better benchmark than a standard current Mini for judging what the new Mini needed to beat.
Fortunately, all of the old Minki-I stuff had just been scrapped off, so a Minki-II was hastily required! I say fortunately, because in comparison, the Minki-II project was a very grand affair! By this time, our senior management had seen BMW in operation, and were impressed by the way that they did everything properly, with very high quality prototype vehicles, excellent engineering, etc. Minki-II had to live up to this standard. Great! It was a proper project, with designers and even a few bought-out parts!"

(Minki-II can usually be seen on show at the Gaydon Motor Museum)

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Great info - thanks a lot
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it does make you wonder why they attempted to ram all the bits from a k-series metro into a mini body shell, when the later metro was a fairly decent looking car and pretty well sorted
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Pete Bourne has kindly sent me a few more of his memories (and photos) of working in the BL Chassis Department to share with us below:-

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"Great to realise people are so interested in the development of all these classic cars. I must admit that when I started with BL the main development focus was on Metro, but I have had a fair bit of involvement with Mini over the years. One of my first jobs after finishing my apprenticeship was to prepare and support "Idiot start" tests on a Mini; I wonder why they picked me???????. It was a long time ago, but I do recall sat in the car at circa 5000 rpm in first gear with clutch down and then sliding my foot off the clutch pedal! This was repeated in reverse. Unsurprisingly after many attempts it failed and dumped all its oil on the Mira test track! They were not happy!
Minki was the biggest job I did on Mini and Minki one was typical of some of the projects in as much as it really had no real budget. Everything was done on a shoe string budget. I can even recall going round local scrap yards trying to find old type hyrogas parts from an Austin 1300. These were the best type of projects. You just got on with it. There was no word as "can't".
Minki two was a diffent beast altogether. The BIW work was done at Canley (I did Minki one). It turned up at The Chassis Workshop at Longbrige 50mm longer and 50mm wider than a standard Mini. We then set about converting it to Metro type Subframe/Suspension/Brakes/Steering etc. As you can imagine it was not the easiest of jobs as the BIWs were completely different, but we did it and the end car was great straight from the box. Our Ride and Handling team which I regarded as world class developed the Chassis to give a good ride quality, but still retaining a bit of the Go kart feel. It came to the point where a management ride and drive event was called for. John Towers was to try the car. The day before the event I was at Gaydon with a few of the Engineers. To cut a long story short I was left on my own to change all the suspension when I realised that the new suspension components were locked away in the stores. I had to break in and retrieve them. Well it was gone midnight by the time I had finished and the ride and drive went ahead the next day without anyone knowing what a stressed out evening I had!
The car now is at Gaydon. I would love to see it again, but am told it only comes out occasionally.
I have so many great memories of Longbridge, thank you for the nudge."

"Thought you might also be interested in this. I designed and built this probably about the same time as Minki Two. It is an electric Hydragas machine. Ride and handling development was a tedious job sometimes. You could spend weeks constantly changing spring and damper settings for the Engineers. On a conventional car it was bad enough, but on hydragas it was very hard because the system had to be constantly emptied and filled. The service machine was not really up to these constant changes and neither were our knees! That's why I came up with this machine. It worked great and was used in the workshop for all the development work. I was made from whatever I could scrounge. The pressure pump was from a cabriolet Rover 200 powered hood and the Vacuum was supplied by a Range Rover air suspension pump. I even got paid £800 for the idea from our suggestion scheme."

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Below is the group photo (taken in Wales during Minki testing) from the Austin memories website run by John Baker, who at one time worked in the Chassis Workshop when I managed it and later worked up the Buck Shop. From left to Right (I'm afraid I cant recognise the last person).

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Alex Moulton- Inventor of the Mini Suspension systems. Hydragas and Rubber cone. I had the pleasure of spending a day with him during the initial planning of Minki two,
Brian Wilkes- Chassis Technician, John Cooper- Brakes Development Manager, Phil Turner- Chassis Development Manager- Small car, Alan Phillips- Nickname Gunoo- Chassis Ride and Handling Engineer, Andy Smith- Nickname RAMs. Chassis departmental Manager. Very much into Motor racing in his younger days, Still holds records for Shelsley Walsh Hillclimb with car that had Allegro engine in it!

Hope this is of interest.
Pete
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I like the rover badge that he pinched from the stores to stick to the machine! :lol:
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More details from Pete Bourne on the Minki development project have recently been published on AROnline, see link below:-

AROnline is committed to telling the complete history of BMC>MGR – especially original accounts from the people on the ground for the definitive inside view.
Former Rover Group and MG Rover engineer, Pete Bourne, recalls his involvement in one of the most fascinating projects from the Rover Group in the 1990s – the Rover Minki 1 concept. Here’s his account…
Concepts and prototypes : Rover Minki 1 and 2
https://www.aronline.co.uk/cars/mini-cl ... i-1-and-2/

(Note: Pete Bourne is also answering readers questions in the comments section below the AROnline article)

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