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What do we all think of this, then?
Some people I have phoned (in a rage) today did not know what I was on about. Does anyone?

Indeed.

Start/submit the renewal before end of Sept. and get 50% off on the FIA fee...
http://www.fia.com/news/historic-motor- ... -decisions

They sure know how to milk this HTP-scheme for all it's worth and then some....

Hi Ed,
I'm absolutely furious. I will sell my car, no question and give up what little racing I do.

They fail to understand that we don't all arrive at circuits in helicopters. Some/most of us are working men who have pissed-off wives, bleating teenage children, mortgages and dirt under our fingernails. This is all we need.

You want to try racing in Italy. It's all papers, documents, homologation sheets, passports, licenses.

I look after the team's paperwork where we race. The number of forms to fill in, the number of rubber stamps, signatures, is just unbelievable. Thee people don't seem to realise that we go there to race and not to fill in forms.

I need to do an HTP passport for my Mini as I would like to do a hill climb or two this season, but yes I agree, it's enough to put you off.

Just as a matter of interest, what does a comp license cost in UK if you wish to do an International hill climb?

John Bull wrote:You want to try racing in Italy. It's all papers, documents, homologation sheets, passports, licenses.

I look after the team's paperwork where we race. The number of forms to fill in, the number of rubber stamps, signatures, is just unbelievable. Thee people don't seem to realise that we go there to race and not to fill in forms.

I need to do an HTP passport for my Mini as I would like to do a hill climb or two this season, but yes I agree, it's enough to put you off.

Just as a matter of interest, what does a comp license cost in UK if you wish to do an International hill climb?

Tha actual licence is relatively (for motorsport) cheap. My National A race licence is £74/year and the hillclimb/sprint option is markedly cheaper. However just to retain the privilege of my unaltered-since-it-was-awarded-a-Historic-passport-the-first-time is £650 every 5 years. It's a bloody disgrace.

This is the sort of reason why more & more people are racing in CSCC championships in the UK.

http://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/ourseries.htm

The FIA won't be happy until they have driven all but the millionaires out of motor sport permanently. It makes me sick!

It's not only the fees. Look for the new papers! At the moment they will not allow any SD cage for a period G1 car! I should look for a new cage.

I didn't know that about SD cages. I have one in mine too. I do know that they require WELDED plates on the 6 attachment points on the body.

CSAI hill climb license fee is 450 euro annually. HTP is 200 euro every 5 years. I don't know how they justify it. i'm not surprised so many rogue federations are croping up everywhere.

Lol - i see the birth of the 'MK1 Performance' private race series held at privatly hired venues throughout the year with no involvement from the MSA/FIA - run what ya brung as long as it passes common sense safety criteria

PAD

pad4 wrote:Lol - i see the birth of the 'MK1 Performance' private race series held at privatly hired venues throughout the year with no involvement from the MSA/FIA - run what ya brung as long as it passes common sense safety criteria

PAD

The Mini Se7en Club are trying to do just this but as soon as you introduce some regs, the whingeing will start....mark my words! They've had one trial race and already there've been some sideways glances at a couple of the cars. It's not easy as everyone else's commonsense makes no sense at all to some folk.

John Bull wrote:I didn't know that about SD cages. I have one in mine too. I do know that they require WELDED plates on the 6 attachment points on the body.

the actual problem is that the doorbars are not shown in the homologation sheet. But I am not sure, if this is just the view of the german DMSB. Maybe a british responsible has another opinion.

So you have this problem with over officious officials in Germany too? It seems to be a Worldwide disease with motorsport officials.

I call it the warden syndrome. You give an idiot a cap and a badge and he suddenly thinks he's GOD.

our new Europe, everything becomes more administrated, everything becomes more expensive. Was it this what we expected or can we see more things to change?

Hi, interested in this as i am trying to familiarize myself with similarities and differences in historic circuit racing from different areas . Eg Appendix k - tyre specs Vs Appendix J ( Group Nb) in Australia. It would seem to me that much of the stuff called international over in Europe , could be reinterpreted as an intra-national competition with invited cars... In Australia, our international credentialling is basically the same ( thus the point of being under FIA) but it is rarely utilised for what we could call the regular racing season, our regular stuff sits at the level below national, so i do feel sorry for those impacted by this in Europe/GB.

Hello,

to clarify, the FIA is sitting in Paris and claiming since 100 years to be the international motorsport authority. The national authorities have to accept this, to follow the regulations and to pay the fees. There will be no international motorsport without the FIA beside some national activities witch cannot be shared by FIA/national authority licensees.

Astro wrote:Hello,

to clarify, the FIA is sitting in Paris and claiming since 100 years to be the international motorsport authority. The national authorities have to accept this, to follow the regulations and to pay the fees. There will be no international motorsport without the FIA beside some national activities witch cannot be shared by FIA/national authority licensees.

Only because we don't all revolt.

This is finally starting in Italy where there are now 3 or 4 federations offering racing at a quarter of the price, and a tenth of the red tape to what FIA / CSAI events do.

In a Europe that is supposed to be against monopolies, the FIA should never be allowed to have such a stranglefold on the sport.

for example. The French hill climb championship is a very special series and this is the only way to share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhNHtmzL ... AQSK92vuEQ