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Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:17 pm
by rolesyboy
Hi Folks, I have been offered the roof from an Elf (year unknown) for my Mk 1 shell (pillars and all) The headlining appears to be the same as a Mk 3 Mini i.e doesnt come out as 2 solid removable panels, but it has piano hinge holes and looks about right form the photos. The roof is a long way from me and the bloke describing it is not up on Minis.
Does anybody know if they are the same roof with a different headliner? I cant keep asking the seller the same questions. He thinks I am mental.

Cheers. Mark
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:26 pm
by surfblue63
If the Elf had internal hinges then I think the side windows are larger and the same as a Mk3 Mini. Also there is no seam on the rear pillars on any Elf roof.
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:04 pm
by minical
I had an elf roof to cut bits out of for my mk2, was a mk3 headlining which was fitted with clips into the mk1/2 cant rail. The door and window frames were the same as the mk2.
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:23 pm
by cheleker
If all you need is the roof, they are the same.
Mk I Elf/Hornet used the two piece headliner. Mk II and III used the one piece. At least the Mk II started using the one piece early on.
Rear side window opening sizes on the Mk I and II Elf/Hornet were the same as other Mk I and II Mini saloons. The MK III Elf/Hornet (Aug. '66 on) openings were larger.
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:17 am
by rich@minispares.com
the roof skin is the same (but then they are the same from 59 to 2000), so it doesn't have to be a specific mk1 item.
if you want the 'top chop' (for want of a better description!) with the intention of letting the roof, cant rail and pillars onto your shell, then you will need to be careful as an elf is different to a normal saloon.
the front pillars and 'b' pillars are the same but it all goes wrong at the 'c' pillars. they are a one piece pressing, not two joined by the seam like on a saloon, then the one piece pressing is joined round the cant, so the cant is a separate bit as well, its all lead loaded, so you cannot see it.
I suppose you could use it on a saloon, but you would either have to deseam it (

), or try and weld a lip onto it to hold the seam finisher.
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:57 am
by rolesyboy
Thanks Rich. The case is solved. Anyone got a mk 1 roof they can sell me. Cheers
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:02 pm
by cheleker
Good catch, Rich. The C-post off MK I - III Elf/Hornet is the same size as a non-Elf/Hornet MK I. (The E/H used the smaller, Mk I back window for all cars.) But that little matter of the lack of a seam would be an issue!
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:55 pm
by surfblue63
Can people not see what I write???????????????
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:36 am
by SteveG
Who said that?

Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:21 pm
by Pete
Dunno, let's just ignore him, everybody else is !

Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:59 pm
by AustinSuperSeven
Seams... like no one is listening to Surfblue!

Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:01 am
by northern monkey
why aye man....perhaps its the strange northern accent you must have wrote in surf...

Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:09 am
by surfblue63
Nah Mick, it's probably me lingerin' mockney that does it.
Re: Is the roof on an Elf and a Mk 1 the same?
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:46 pm
by northern monkey
Thats a real mix ...mockney geordie.....that would tax google translate Stuart
Mick