Sustainable fuel ?

[hanlminiman]

Thought I would start a discussion to see what members of the Forum think.
"From 2024, the Goodwood Revival will race exclusively on sustainable fuel, in what will be a landmark moment for historic motorsport.
Competitors will be required to use fuel with a minimum of 70 per cent sustainable components, in what is the latest initiative as part of Goodwood’s Revive & Thrive ethos. This is a major step on the path to ensuring the future of historic motorsport.
It’s a change that has been carefully considered and researched, and cars will require no modifications to run on the new fuel. There is also no performance deficit, cars can run exactly as they do on standard fuel. The first-ever sustainably-fuelled winner at the Revival was the 1925 Bentley Speed Model, which Ben Collings and Gareth Graham drove to victory ahead of other cars running on standard fuel."
I also saw a comment this week that Rowan Atkinson used "SF" in his racing Jaguar this year.
I haven't looked into the subject much yet but where is SF available and how much? Perhaps alongside the Electric Charging points?
I would suggest that SF tankers will be at Goodwood to supply all the competitors.
My mind boggles.
Cliff
ps Will it be ULEZ friendly?
pps 1st search. "Coryton offers three types - Super 80, Super 33 and Racing 50 - starting at an eye-twitching £3.80 per litre. The number refers to the percentage of renewable fuel in the mix. And yes, you’ve guessed it – the higher the percentage, the bigger the hole in your wallet." Looks like it is supplied by a Bicester Heritage tenant?

[Oneball]

The price is comparable with the race fuels everyone at Goodwood is using anyway. If anything a control fuel so that everyone at Goodwood is actually using MSA pump fuel is no bad thing.

[hanlminiman]

Thank you. I knew rally fuel was expensive for "Prodrive Subarus" but did not realise "racing fuel" was used at events.

[mab01uk]

Is there really such a thing as a ‘sustainable’ fuel or is this just 'greenwashing' as some have suggested is the case in both F1 and with the first Virgin transatlantic flight made this week using ‘sustainable’ aviation fuel....?

[Ronnie]

Is there really such a thing as a ‘sustainable’ fuel or is this just 'greenwashing' as some have suggested is the case in both F1 and with the first Virgin transatlantic flight made this week using ‘sustainable’ aviation fuel....?

I wonder what the emission readings are, better or worse than the kerosene/paraffin or avcat It does not matter how it is synthesised or how much they can make, it's what comes out the other end that matters.

[Oneball]

I wonder what the emission readings are, better or worse than the kerosene/paraffin or avcat It does not matter how it is synthesised or how much they can make, it's what comes out the other end that matters.

What comes out of the exhaust is only relevant when using fossil fuels. If it’s a sustainable fuel then it’s a closed cycle so the CO2 level in the atmosphere remains unchanged over a short timescale. Where as fossil fuels youre putting CO2 into the atmosphere that’s not been there for millions of years.

[mab01uk]

However...if we believe in climate change and if the points made in the article below are true...?

Why the world’s first flight powered entirely by sustainable aviation fuel is a green mirage.
"To have fuelled that short hop with 100% coconut oil would have consumed 3 million coconuts. The entire global crop would supply Heathrow for only a few weeks — and it is one of 18,000 commercial airports worldwide. Following that stunt in 2008, Virgin gave up on coconut oil.
Virgin’s latest flight is simply a smoke-and-mirrors exercise to convince governments that SAF will enable aviation to continue its relentless growth on a sustainable basis – and in this, it is succeeding. Virgin’s defence rests on the claim that its new SAF no longer comes exclusively from crops. It is blended with waste products. As with coconuts, any crop grown for fuel competes with foodstuffs and pushes the agricultural frontier further into forests and peatlands, with large releases of carbon. Virgin Atlantic maintains that the SAF it uses is made entirely from used cooking oil. However, if the aviation industry bets big on used cooking oil, it is feared it will turbocharge tropical logging and the extermination of the orangutan and countless other endangered species. The real kicker is that even if all used cooking oils were traceable and sustainably sourced, they are not scalable. The US collects around 600,000 tonnes of used cooking oil each year. If every last drop were diverted to SAFs, it would meet at most 1% of America’s current aviation demand."
https://theconversation.com/why-the-wor ... age-218544

[Exminiman]

Assuming the price is not prohibative, surely it can only be a good thing for the classic car world ?

Maybe the price will become realistic for every one to use it, if the demand is there …..

I do wonder though, if the mass market tried using sustainable fuel, would there be enough ?

What is it made of ?

Appreciate this is a different fuel type, but in the same vain, apprentley the recent Virgin flight across the Atlantic was using a vegetable oil mix, I can’t see there being enough vegetable oil available to make that any more than a publicity stunt, in the future.

[timmy201]

Apparently this one is made from bio-ethanol, but then processed to form a fuel that’s <1% ethanol

https://sustainclassic.com/fuels/

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/the- ... s-a-catch/

July 2023

Coryton prices its
Super 33 at £3.80 per liter, ($17.91 per gallon)
Super 80 costs £4.65 per liter ($22.12), and
Racing 50 is £5.24 per liter ($24.92),
making it considerably more expensive than the UK average price of around £1.60 per liter ($7.60) for high octane fuel.

[850RS]

With the higher fuel prices maybe we will start seeing a larger field of Minis at Goodwood! I burned less than 5 gallons of fuel in a race weekend… while the 2 litre Triumph pitted next to me burned 4 times that amount.

I’m still hopeful that Porsche can sort out the carbon capture and make e-fuels a real possibility. If I understand their distribution method correctly it seems that they want to add the e fuel to the general fuel supply and as you purchase fuel at the pump there would gradually be a higher percentage of that fuel coming from carbon capture as they scale up. I’m not claiming to understand it fully, but if it helps to keep our ICE classics on the road/track then I’m all for it.