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Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:11 pm
by mab01uk
"Both were revolutionary, sub-10-foot monocoque city cars, but can the chic Fiat 500 hold its own against the faster, roomier Mini?
An influx of tiny, efficient microcars might have made sense amid a post-war drive for cheap personal transport, but for BMC supremo Leonard Lord, it presented an opportunity. With the backdrop of the 1956 Suez fuel crisis upping the ante, he promptly told Alec Issigonis to drop everything and design a proper small car that would drive the “bloody awful bubble cars” off the streets.
The Mini, or the Morris Minor-Minor and Austin Seven to give it its launch titles, emerged in 1959 as a proper four-wheeled car wrapped up in city-sized package less than 10 feet long.
But it had been comprehensively beaten to the post by a diminutive Italian in the shape of Dante Giacosa’s Fiat ‘Nuova’ 500, which had already been on sale for two years and was even shorter at just over nine feet. Admittedly the earliest 500s had only two seats compared to the Mini’s four, but that was quickly remedied. Besides, the blueprint for the 500 was even older, with the four-seat Fiat 600 – itself hardly a giant at 10 feet seven inches – launched in 1955.
While Issigonis went for a revolutionary transverse front-engine layout with front-wheel drive and the gearbox in the sump, Giacosa had opted for a rear-mounted 479cc engine driving the rear wheels. The 500 arguably had an even bigger impact on Italian transport than the Mini did in the UK, with its cheap price getting many off their scooters and on to four wheels for the first time.
Of course, both cars went on to be huge successes, spawning various derivatives and hot performance models, as well as being loved by people who normally wouldn’t give two hoots about cars. They even inspired the retro-styled current-day models we now see just about everywhere. But which makes the best classic buy?"
Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures:-
https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/fiat ... treasures/

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Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:24 am
by mk1
Harry Ratcliffe on his duels with these little buggers during the European Championship 1969.

"Our drivers could never go quite as quick as them, so we just sat behind them & kept pushing until we saw engine bits flying out of the back"

:lol:

Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:14 am
by mab01uk
mk1 wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:24 am Harry Ratcliffe on his duels with these little buggers during the European Championship 1969.

"Our drivers could never go quite as quick as them, so we just sat behind them & kept pushing until we saw engine bits flying out of the back"

:lol:
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Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am
by nick@dunsdale
Haven spoken to quite a few chaps who went through the birth of the Mini in the motor trade

Quite a few have remarked had the Hillman Imp came out a little sooner and been a bit more reliable the Mini may have been a completely different story.


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Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:42 am
by mk1
nick@dunsdale wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am Haven spoken to quite a few chaps who went through the birth of the Mini in the motor trade

Quite a few have remarked had the Hillman Imp came out a little sooner and been a bit more reliable the Mini may have been a completely different story.
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You forgot "If the Imp wasn't so freaking ugly". At least Fiat 500's look nice.

Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:20 pm
by IslandBlue
mk1 wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:42 am
nick@dunsdale wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am Haven spoken to quite a few chaps who went through the birth of the Mini in the motor trade

Quite a few have remarked had the Hillman Imp came out a little sooner and been a bit more reliable the Mini may have been a completely different story.
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You forgot "If the Imp wasn't so freaking ugly". At least Fiat 500's look nice.
I've always thought the Imp was a good looking car in a conventional kind of way.

I also have fond memories of a Corgi or Dinky one with luminous "Police" panels on the doors!

Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:03 pm
by mab01uk
The now rare Imp/Sunbeam Californian or Singer Chamois Coupé looked quite good in their day I think, although you lost the more practical opening rear window feature.

The Imps used to give the racing Mini's a hard time in Special Saloons though.....
Some interesting info here on Bill McGovern and the Bevan Imp:
http://www.imps4ever.info/racing/races/bevan.html

Bevan Imp at the Crystal Palace Sprint in 2011, recreated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOu7Urjj0-k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeZxAOFQ_lk

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Mini and Hillman Imp compared:-
http://mk1-forum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6616

Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:06 pm
by mk1
Very futuristic!

Watch out, the Firemen are here!

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Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:10 pm
by Costafortune
I like Imps, and wish I'd squirrelled one of these away:

Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:29 pm
by Colin a
I worked for lord rootes and specialised in imps for the whole of the time they where being made,I think they were great little cars,the problems they had kept me in work, not very good for the customers, we did the factory courses at the stoke plant Coventry. ( gate 5). I found them easier to work on than the mini, this was in 1964,the good old days.

Re: Fiat 500 Vs Mini: Tiny Treasures

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:13 pm
by Costafortune
Consider how crap the early Minis were - virtually unfit for purpose. Water leaks, clutch slip, syncros, misfires or coughing to a halt in wet weather etc. Early Imps were no worse - it was that stupid pneumatic throttle until it was replaced by a proper cable in '64...?
The engines were fine after 1965 (Mark II) with the straight edged block - as long as the radiator was kept clean and the coolant level checked, plus proper antifreeze of course. The rubber driveshaft couplings lasted about as long as Mini ones.