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Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:44 pm
by AndyPen
Searching through stuff I found this today - quite a good reference shot. It appears to be on a jig of some kind, for testing perhaps?

Does anyone put any kind of padding on top these days?
rear-hydro-subframe.jpg

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:17 pm
by bwaminispeed
I think that is set up on the line, the front subframe will be on the dolly in front of it, just waiting to mate up with a body.....

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:26 pm
by TECH396
That's a great reference piece. I've never noticed the use of the two spool mounts and bracket for the tailpipe before.
I'm planning on putting my padding back, I saved my original stuff. The body wasn't rotting at those locations on my car.
It looks to be jigged & ready to "marry" to the body

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:49 pm
by Craig
It does look like the assembly line ??
Great reference picture
Anyone have the front picture ????

Craig

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:25 am
by winabbey
bwaminispeed wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:17 pm I think that is set up on the line, the front subframe will be on the dolly in front of it, just waiting to mate up with a body.....
Yes, the two hydro pipes heading north in the pic must be attached to something and not swinging in the wind. A front subframe is the obvious answer.

I'll add to the request for a pic of the front subframe dolly.

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:07 am
by OGW 1082
Hello all,
Here's the full picture.
Regards,
Glen

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:47 am
by Simon776
It is part of a sequence of pictures of a pre-production build.

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:53 am
by winabbey
OGW 1082 wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:07 am Hello all,
Here's the full picture.
Regards,
Glen
Many thanks Glen.

Long way round for that image - from Oz to UK and back to Oz. :)

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:33 am
by 850man
That photo is in one of the Mini books, the one with 33EJB on the cover from memory.
Edit - Mini Rob Golding.

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:45 am
by johnv
So only the hydro pipes go ‘under’ the subframe? .. think I got mine wrong ..

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:08 am
by STG95F
So looks like the rear silencer was black from the factory

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:46 am
by nick rogers
It's a very early wet car as it still has a non-damped gearstick.

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:22 am
by AndyPen
Yes Nick, it is a pre-production set up from Feb - March 64 as far as I can recall. That's why there is no positive crankcase ventilation etc. It may even be a 1071??

I see it has been posted already but here is the front picture, slightly out of focus on the original photograph due to depth of field in relatively low light.

front-subframe.jpg

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:54 am
by Gary Schulz
These photographs are fantastic reference material. Any chance that the original source could be scanned at high resolution and made available somewhere? I don't believe I have ever seen them anywhere else.

So this is just a setup for a prototype hydro build I presume? No way they did production this way...

The rear brake drums suggest this is a non-S Cooper I would think.

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:36 pm
by bwaminispeed
The picture is the right way up, the pipes go up the front face, and ,over top of the rear subframe......

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:41 pm
by bwaminispeed
Gary, you would be surprised how crude the ealy Mini production line was.......

Looks like a 998 Cooper (90 degree mounted heater valve), with the later airbox (but, not chopped for the brake cylinder), probably late 64ish.....

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:48 pm
by AndyPen
I was told at the time is was an S but you are right about the drums causing doubt Gary. Or they may have said Cooper and I jumped the gun.

Sometime around the early to mid 90s I was researching my Feb 64 car as I also had a pile of bits from a 970 and was confused as to what went with what.

Long story short, gaydon responded with an invite to visit along with pics of my shell etc - memory is flakey but I think they were restoring AJB 44B. They let me photograph bits and I was rather cheeky and took pics of some of the photos they had out.

My Research timeline was Jan - March 64, hence I am fairly confident on the dates.

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:48 pm
by 360gts
It looks like a 998 Cooper unit...it has the old style remote noisy gear lever. Top rad hose is the style for the non S engine too.
The silencers were black back then...and were welded together.......still have the original one off my 64 1071.
Also, interesting...no MOWOG on the rear crossmember!

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:01 pm
by STG95F
360gts wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:48 pm It looks like a 998 Cooper unit...it has the old style remote noisy gear lever. Top rad hose is the style for the non S engine too.
The silencers were black back then...and were welded together.......still have the original one off my 64 1071.
Also, interesting...no MOWOG on the rear crossmember!
Dermott , Do you know if the silencers were black on all the MK1 Cooper range ??

Ian

Re: Nice old rear hydro subframe pic

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:40 am
by nick rogers
The CV nuts appear to be the smaller inch and 3/16" which would also confirm Cooper, Not S.