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appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:24 pm
by Pandora
I'm going to buy some 1/2" steel bar to make the top pivot pin for the 7's front suspension

it's part 22 on this exploded diagram.

http://www.lotus-europa.com/manuals/s2parts/c/index.htm

the top wishbone pivots on it, as well as locating the top of the coil over shock.

any thoughts on whether I need a specific grade of steel, or will 'standard' steel bar suffice?

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:31 pm
by Ronnie
I would think as a minimum use EN8, but be aware a lot of suspension components as supplied as OE may possibly have had heat treatment, when you purchase the material will be in its annealed state. :!:

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:01 pm
by Pandora
Here's a handy link - http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/ ... gth_st.htm

I recon I'll need EN32, 16 or 19?

will these be hard to turn/thread?

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:43 am
by Ronnie
Yes but not impossible.

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:44 am
by mk1
I would certainly not consider using anything less than EN16 for that. It looks pretty stressed to me.

In my usual belt ans braces fashion I would suggest using something that is as good as possible, even if it means paying someone to turn it for you. A few quid spent now is far preferable to seeing your front suspension collapse from under you at high speed!

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:33 am
by Pandora
Indeed! hence my question. better than asking 'Why did my suspension callapse?'

My lathe is a bit asthmatic, so might need to farm it out as I don't think it'd cope with anything harder than edam cheese.....

It's only a couple of bars 210mm long with a 20mm long 7/16th UNF thread on each end. Can't be all that pricey to get done.

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:59 pm
by 251 ENG
Use EN 24T and do it to last :D

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:01 pm
by Pandora
is that as strong as dried out wheetabix?

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:53 pm
by COOPERCO
Another vote for EN24T, just don't weld it!!

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:34 pm
by Pandora
anyone able to make these for me?

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:12 pm
by Ronnie
Dont forget the rest of your suspension bolts will only be HT s quality bolts. :?

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:57 pm
by littler
Pandora wrote:anyone able to make these for me?
what are the dimensions?

if its within an aston db4 head stud (1/2" by 8" aprox of good qulity material,with 1" of 1/2" UNF thread one end and 1 1/2" of UNC at the other end) i could turn you a pair up. got plenty of old 6 cyl head studs about.

as has been said, en8 + will be fiiiiine , can you not buy them off the shelf?

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:14 pm
by Pandora
I'd been thinking they need to be 210mm long with about a 20mm long 7/16th UNF thread on each end. but if you can make something suitable out of studs you have, 1/2" UNF threads will be fine - it's a special, so I am making the wishbones etc myself anyway, so can adapt things a bit.

I can't seem to find a supplier of S4 spares, and the europa folk I tried didn't have any

in fact, it sounds like the studs you have might not even need machined- they might be perfect as they are!

Re: appropriate steel bar choice

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:24 am
by Ronnie