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Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:17 am
by mab01uk
Some interesting extracts below taken from a recent article on Minis and cam developments over the years by David Vizard:-

"Way back when I was a new student to the science of engine development (late 1950’s) I wondered why engines would have differing optimal valve event timing. What, I asked myself, were the factors involved. Well back in those days I had much else to concern me as far as my education on developing engine performance was concerned. I had already built a crude but effective flow bench which was teaching me heaps of go-fast tech in terms of cylinder head mods. It was not until successful and nationally recognized UK engine builder Harry Ratcliffe of BVRT happened to mention to me that he had noticed that the short stroke big bore Ford 105E range of engines generally like to have the Lobe Centerline Angle at 109 degrees where as the long stroke ‘A’ series engines that powered the Mini Coopers of the day were more disposed to 104 or so. This comment from Harry was actually what got me started on my quest to find out what factors affected the optimal opening and closing points any particular spec of engine needed for the strongest power curve in the desired rpm range."

"All the forgoing was back somewhere in the mid 1960’s. Over the next 30 years my involvement in the cam aspect of engine development became ever deeper and more involved. In 1971 I began, as an outside consultant, working with the UK division of Chrysler, or more accurately their competition department. That year they introduced the then new-from-the-ground-up Avenger. Loosely my job description here was to popularize it as a performance vehicle. That was all very well but there was almost no speed equipment in existence for this engine and certainly close to zero know-how on what was needed to make it perform. I went to work investigating this somewhat unorthodox engine and making modifications accordingly. My efforts here rapidly outpaced the factory’s. They must have liked my efforts because the first simple projects lead to more ambitious ones. Eventually I was developing an ultra wide power band version of the production line Avenger engine and a turbo version of such to put Ford’s Lotus Cortina twin cam in it’s place (i.e. behind an Avenger). As it happened I pulled off both projects with apparently great success. Motor Magazine tested my ultra wide power band Avenger (useable power from 400 rpm to 8000 and I am still waiting for a VVT engine to match that). Even at 1500 cc it whooped the butt off the newly introduced 1600 Cosworth BDA Escort in every respect. The differences were far from marginal, and, as the magazine’s road test editors put it, embarrassing for Cosworth. As for the Turbo Avenger this project went very well producing an emission legal 0-100 mph in 13 seconds.
With Chryslers Competition Dept., supplying whatever I asked for I found I was in the best position to-date to do some experimentation with cams. I had learned a lot from building race winning Mini and Ford engines in the dozen or so years to this point and built on that."

"All the forgoing with Avenger engines gave me an additional window into the workings and requirements of an engine very different to the Ford and ‘A’ Series engines I had worked with to date. It also allowed me to make a direct comparison between the requirements of a normally aspirated engine versus a turbo one. By the time my year as a driver/car constructor in the British Touring Car Championship came up I had, though still far from mathematically quantified, a good handle on what any particular engine needed for maximum performance. This proved itself out in a very public way. In spite of being a privateer against a field of factory entered cars my BTCC 1600 Avenger Tiger was the fastest by far in the class even though it was (other than the factory entered Avengers) the only pushrod, all iron, motor competing. In six of the races I broke a motor in during practice forcing me to start way back as far as 28th on a 32 car grid. On each occasion I was up to first or second in class by the end of the first lap. The most dramatic of these through-the-field charges was at Brands Hatch where the BTCC event was the main supporting race of the British Grand Prix and was televised. Again breaking in a motor put me on the last row but one. If ever there were doubters to the possibility that I may have an inkling on how to make hp this should have been a convincer that I could – and one of major proportions at that. From my 27th starting spot I took my 1600 cc racer to joint first between two 350 Z28 Cameros – by the first corner! Yes you read right – I passed 24 cars in the time it took for the start lights to turn green and my arrival at turn #1 (Paddock bend). As for witnesses – well several million TV viewers saw this happen. As you might expect I am by this time starting to actually justify the nickname of Vizard-the-Wizard or Mr. Horsepower."

"The stunt at Brands though was hardly the first time I had pulled off something like this. A couple of years previous, I had, on a damp track at Prescott and in my 1293 cc Mini Cooper, beaten all the times of the F1 cars. The only single seater to beat me was a four wheel drive Formula 5000 car which bettered me on a drying track to the tune of a scant nine thousandths of a second! (that 1293 had one of my cams in it as well as a DV ported head and a bunch of other stuff I made because I could not afford to buy it.)"

"All through the 1970’s I built on my successes in the cam and head departments of high performance engines. By the time the 1980’s rolled around I am seeing work come in from notable cam companies. I get cam testing assignments from the likes of Iskenderian (known Ed Iskenderian since 1972 and he still refers to me as ‘Young Vizard), Crane, Comp Cams and the like in the US and Piper and Kent in the UK. At first the cams being tested were only in ones and twos to maybe a dozen or so. The reason, as I was told, that these cam companies came to me or were very willing to work with me is because my dyno testing was meticulous to a point."

In the early 80’s I did a cam makeover project for Piper cams in the UK. The results were dramatic both in terms of improved performance and sales. To quote Pipers boss ‘the results were beyond our wildest dreams!’

"About 3 years on from the Piper deal I wrote an article in Cars & Car Conversions (a magazine I used to write for regularly until some conflicts with editors and staff who unthinkingly put me in a position of making things even harder to generate new and exciting material) that stated, in big bold wording, that I thought it a poor deal that neither the factory (British Leyland) nor England and Europe’s leading cam grinders actually knew what they were doing when it came to cams for the ‘A’ series engine (which at that time was the most popular engine to hop up by a country mile). Wow – think about that – here is a mere motoring journalist (I am actually an engineer not a journalist but whatever) is saying – in a very public forum and using my own name, not hiding behind the anonymity of some pseudo name, and saying the factory, and virtually all others, do not know what they are doing to a sufficient degree to be anywhere near optimum for the duration figures involved. I don’t suppose for one second that you will have a hard time believing that this stirred up a hornet nest."

"When questioned by potential customers and the press the guy at British Leyland just blew it off by saying that as a journalist I need to write something sensational and that I would not – and probably could not back up such an obviously outlandish claim. The reality was that I was tired of being polite as it got me no where. I was getting ticked off by BL’s Competition Departments near lack of any apparent capability to advance the state of art and the very thing I wanted them to do was to take me up on it so I could show them what they were missing out on. I had commented several times to the guy that made the dumb press statement that I would love to go through their cams and update them from the Stone Age to something at least a couple years in advance of the then current state of art. He just blew off any suggestion that they wanted, or even needed, to update anything especially with the aid of a journalist! Back then BL’s race profiles dated to pre 1958 era. What a bunch of go getters they were!"

"The comments from BL’s staff did not really hold any great surprises but I was rather surprise of the cool reception my magazine comments had from Piper as I had already proved what I could do with only a minor budget to work with. On the other hand Kent cams Bob Munt called me up and said “let’s see if you can put your money where your mouth is”. So we struck a deal. Bob was to find the most successful ‘A’ series engine builder in the country and ship him and a selection of representative dyno mules over to my shop in Riverside California. There I was to show just how much better my cams were than whatever was currently being used. The engine builder Bob Munt chose was an extremely successful ‘A’ Series engine builder that had, that year, (and several previous and subsequent years) virtually cleaned up in any class where a Mini was eligible. I seem to remember that out of four championships this guys engines took the first four spots on three of them and the first three in the remaining championship. This highly successful engine builder was the now famous (in European circles) Dave Mountain of Mountune Racing in Malden just east of London, England. Dave was also one of my protege’s. If I ever needed to offer proof that I can teach not just race but championship winning engine building technology then Dave will, I’m sure, bear witness to such."

"During the 6 weeks or so I worked with Dave Mountain and with the valuable assistance of my good friend David Anton (of Advanced Performance Technology in Riverside CA) I developed a range of conventional cams for the ‘A’ Series that simply out powered anything out there by a very substantial margin. (My eldest daughter Samantha, scored an 88% win record with her street weight 1275 Mini GT and was never beaten by anything less than 3.1 liters. No pro built mini, even at race weight, nor a factory entered mini could hold a candle to it) Cam sales at Kent went through the roof! If I remember rightly in some four months their sales about quadrupled!"

"The rest of the year I got a number of smaller cam test jobs but the following year I was re employed by Kent to develop the ultimate ‘A’ Series cams, cams for the MGB engine and the 2 liter Pinto engine (used in Ford UK’s Cortina and Escort RS 2000). The most novel of these cams were the Scatter Pattern cams for the ‘A’ Series. This engine, because of it’s port layout of 2 intake ports and three exhaust means that every cylinder has a different valve event requirement. The inspiration for the scatter pattern cams was once again the venerable Harry Ratcliffe who had tried this some 20 years previously. Well with the equipment of the day I was sure that Harry was really up against the odds of getting it all right-on so David Anton and I, equipped with a really up-to-the-minute dyno tackled the problem of determining how to figure the optimal events for an engine that did so much port sharing and consequently inter-cylinder robbing. We really could have done with in-cylinder pressure measuring gear but it was well beyond my budget back then. So I had to come up with another method to get to where we had to go. I won’t detail it here as I am saving it for my techno memoirs should I ever get around to writing them. The scatter pattern cams really worked out well and I believe David Anton and I progressed the state of art quite some way from where even the talented Harry Ratcliffe left off. These cams simply blew away any then available into the weeds – and nothing much appears to have changed in this quarter since."

The full article here:-
http://www.motortecmagazine.net/a-new-w ... peed-spec/

Dave Vizards Race Mini
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Dave Vizards BTCC Avenger Tiger
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Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:35 pm
by bmcman.ie
thats a brilliant read! please tell us more! good job, ian.

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:53 pm
by Spider
It is an interesting and enlightening article for sure and it;s rare that DV is so 'brash' in print. I read that article some time back now.

I've also been using the Cams from APT for some time now, not at all because DV had anything to do with them, but that they are streets ahead of anything else on the market (as far as off the self cams go). They not only have great profiles that really work but also ground correctly and then treated properly so a long life can be had from them and the followers.

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:42 pm
by LarryLebel
What gives? An Aussi not using RE cams? I've heard it all now.

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 12:59 pm
by 850man
LarryLebel wrote:What gives? An Aussi not using RE cams? I've heard it all now.
Some of us down here are not sheep. Don't believe the hype :roll:

If I knew half of what David Vizard knows I would be streets ahead of anyone here in Australia "designing" cam profiles.

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 1:22 pm
by Spider
850man wrote:
LarryLebel wrote:What gives? An Aussi not using RE cams? I've heard it all now.
Some of us down here are not sheep. Don't believe the hype :roll:

If I knew half of what David Vizard knows I would be streets ahead of anyone here in Australia "designing" cam profiles.
Does anyone in Aust use those RE's idiot's cams?

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 3:32 pm
by mk1
I can't be the only person who thinks that article is a bit ME, ME, ME LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME, I'M F(*&*ING AMAZING ME, LOOK OVER HERE I'M HERE. . . . .

While I am sure that Mr Viz has done some great work when it comes to cam & head design, and it was his book "How to modify your Mini" that first gave me the courage to start building & modifying my own Mini, I am also sure that there are plenty of other people who have built engines just as well in the last 50 odd years.

About the only person he seems to have any respect for at all is Harry Ratcliffe.

Despite the fact that his Avenger seemed to be SO MUCH MASSIVELY faster than anything else he ran against, I don't see Mr Viz over represented in the BTCC figures, in fact I am struggling to find a mention of him anywhere.

Another thing he could learn from Harry Ratcliffe is humility!

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:45 pm
by mab01uk
In this video from last year David Vizard admits many other engine builders and experts know far more than he does.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jz9malpvK0

When I last met David Vizard it was at the Autosports Show 2012 at the NEC and said he was keen to get his 18 year old daughter Jacque Vizard to drive a race Mini in the UK and experience the car that started his career with engine tuning. Sadly I have just found she tragically died in 2014.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... MG3PAlaHUI

https://www.facebook.com/jacquevizard/

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:49 pm
by Spider
I respect David and he made a big impression on me when I was young as to how to look at approach and think about anything. He also taught me to look past any hype or blurb. Like Mark, it was David's first Mini book 'How to Modify your Mini' that probably got me moving and beginning to understand engines from more of an engineering view point, than just nuts, bolts, twin carbies and 'try this, it works' without any understand as to why it worked (or more often, didn't). Prior to David's book, I tried reading Clive Trickey's books, but found little back ground to his modifications.

I don't think David has ever said or propounded to be 'the best'. Certainly, while I have far far less experience than David and as I said, I respect the bloke, I don't agree while everything he has suggested. David is only so well known in the field because he's been one of very few who have published their work. Just because someone - anyone - publishes their works, doesn't remotely mean they are any good at it, it only means they can write well enough for a publisher - who has commercial interest - feels they can make money from these scribblings.

Not wanting to come across like I'm running David down in saying this next bit, but he couldn't have actually spent a lot of hands on time getting his hands dirty, he has and we all know that, however, I say this because I know first hand long it takes to actually put something together in manuscript form, like 'How to Modify Your Mini'. He did that back in the hand notes and type writer days, it would have taken him 2 - 3 years hard at it to compile it. Putting that in to perspective of all the books he's published along with the great lectures he's run, well, I don't see as much hands on workshop time as perhaps many may think. He has done a lot of cutting edge work, but likewise, there's probably 100 or 1000 others who have done other cutting edge work that we simply don't know of because they don't publish or work for the man.

Certainly the article that mab01uk has posted here, David has gone on a bit of a rant, which is unusual for him, but clearly something or someone pissed him off.

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:29 pm
by 850man
I too was introduced to DV around 25 years ago when I was given the "How to modify your Mini: book.
I found that book to be one of a number of books with great engine building information, but being Mini specific made it so much better.
A few years later he came to Australia on behalf of K&N. The talk was informative but highly specialized, well beyond my knowledge at the time. Once the seminar had finished and DV could relax questions started coming from the mainly Mini crowd about A series mods and DV become a different man, he sat there for an hour talking Mini engines.

Fast forward to last year DV was doing his "How to build Horsepower" seminars around the world and was to visit Sydney and Melbourne.

Through his cylinder head specialist friends Sam Bose and Simon Gardner I was able to contact DV and talk to him over the phone for many hours, my request was that he put on an extra seminar solely on the A series engine here in Melbourne. He was hesitant at first as he has not worked with A series engines for many years, but with some convincing and help he agreed and we organized it.

Once the seminar started DV just exploded with information that was not in any of his books, but real hands on experience, knowledge gained by thousands of hours of dyno testing. DV worked with Kent cams and he would get them to grind 20 different profiles at a time, and then spend countless hours testing and perfecting the profiles to extract every last HP and Torque possible. He shared this knowledge to the group and the seminar went on until he was exhausted, many hours after it was due to finish.
I spent the next day driving him around, in a Morris Mini Traveller, to a number of engine specialist suppliers and once again being able to just sit and listen was enough to prove how good after all these years he still is.

He is a busy man, he works 12 hour days and his cylinder head and valve train design, along with camshaft design is still cutting edge. His work with both GM and Ford, and his constant development of NASCAR engines is incredible, the man is tireless and certainly hands one.
He will be traveling back to Australia later in the year to provide a 3 day seminar on head porting, I for one will be travelling to see him again.

I do hope he shares more of his A series engine knowledge with another book, we still have much to learn from him.

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:45 pm
by SPO41
Has anyone used a VP6 cam profile?
A friend in the USA has a brand new Vizard cam in its box with VP6 stamped on it but cannot find any information on the cam.
Its a 3/8 wide lobe, pin drive Camshaft. He plans on using it in a 1100 engine.
Any information appreciated.

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:08 pm
by timmy201
APT Fast should hopefully be able to provide the right specs

https://aptfast.com/item/5460511-cam-a- ... ory=145605

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:30 pm
by 1380 andyf
From tuning the A series engine
VP6 timing 44-64-68-40 duration 288/288 LCA102 lift 1.25 -1 386/386 lift 1.5-1 451/451
A high performance street cam for small motors or larger retaining 1.25-1 rockers works well in850/948/ 1000 units
Lopey idle with wide power band in all motors
Good for solo type events

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:05 pm
by LarryLebel
I did virtually everything in Vizard's book to my former Cooper S, including: modifying the head, wedging the crank, horsing out the carbs, lightening the flywheel etc., etc., etc. and put in an APT SPVP3 scatter cam. On a dyno I got 69.4 hp at the wheels which was a little disappointing and the engine was very cammy coming on song at 2500 rpm which was exciting but not much use for city driving. When I put in a Pertronics Ignitor EI system I got 3.7 hp more and the motor started easier and ran smoother AND I didn't have to change the points ever again. How good is that!

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:09 pm
by CooperTune
I'm not sure this is the place to mention this. I bought my first mini Sept 1968. I was given a couple books by Clive Tricky which I read from cover to cover. That got me started and there was no turning back. All efforts at that time were applied to my 60 Austin 850. After a few years of driving it back and forth to college and weekend autocross I traded it for a rolling 67 S no power unit. Shortly later I got a Copy of How to modify your mini. It is currently stored in a 1 gallon zip lock bag being a loose leaf work now. I have been to dinner and out for ice cream with David and the young lady in photo. Clearly that was a long time ago.
Last year I found a few NOS APT cams and wanted to know more about them. I rang up David Anton and he was very helpful and honest about what I could expect from the cams and how best to set up the engines. He even gave me his cell number so I could send pictures. We chatted several times as he has family living here in Virginia.
I received notice a week ago that David Anton had passed away on 18 May 2024. I understand his wife will reopen APT in July in an effort to sell out and close. Another friend and asset gone. Steve (CTR)

Re: Spec’ing Cams over the years - David Vizard

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:01 pm
by medwaybeat
That is sad news regarding David.
I had some contact with him via email and he came across as a great guy. I was only after a couple of roller rockers which he did not have, but he still took the time reply and even entered into a bit of a conversion.
He mentioned he did his apprenticeship in Aylesford (UK) which is not far from me and where I was working at the time.
RIP and thoughts to his family.