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Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:44 pm
by Mrcrab86
Hi all

I have been doing some research and asking various people in regards to the very first production runs of minis, reason being is I have a mini van which is an import with reg docs and a very old peculiar looking tag of AV7 5385. I have owned and still do own a few early mk1's but this is my first van.

Im being told by some people vans were not even produced until 20k+ models of the saloons were built, but then historically Mini Vans were launched January 1960 so a first batch of models would have needed to been produced prior to this meaning earlier production numbers or at least prototyped.

One mini historian said Vans were being prototyped the same time as the first mini saloons, and that pre launch cars along with the first minis where sent overseas prior to launch in 59.

I guess one of the issues here is that if you have a van for commercial use its going to die and maybe the lack of early vans proves this.

One of my gripes here is that i have been told different production dates and colours of the car according to the production number. As there are valid question over the first mini ever to roll off the line i find these differing opinions almost invalid. Reg office have looked over the records (extremely painful) and it goes back with that Vin number registered to 1965, and unfortunately unless i can prove otherwise for clearance it will need to be registered as this, chassis number would not agree to this however.....

I am getting it sent to my mothers next week so i will send plenty of pictures took some over in SA but not many as my wife was not impressed i convinced them to sell it to me.

Van has had a new roof and a SA series 1 998cc block gears and gear stick, speedo, wiper motor, wheels, and what replaced that before hand who knows until i look at it next week.


Any thoughts please let me know!

Also Unfortunately planning permission rejected for my garage/workshop so my 63 and mystery van for the winter could sit outside!!! if anyone has storage near by me please let me know! Im in Newport essex :(

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:23 pm
by mab01uk
The 1957 'Orange Box' Mini prototype below is pictured here in the top photo with a Minivan in the background if you look carefully.....but not sure what year this photo was taken?

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Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:25 pm
by bpirie1000
Interesting read.. see what you find.

I have a 61 van so interested to see what happens.

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:20 pm
by Spitz
I also have a 61 Van.....export

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:08 pm
by SMOKE GREY
My rally car started out as a June 60 van.

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:49 pm
by mab01uk
You might also be interested in this thread on TMF:-
Who's Got The Oldest Minivan?
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... t-minivan/

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:48 am
by Mrcrab86
Thanks for the responses interesting picture! would love to see some pics of your early vans. here's a picture of mine more to follow, as you can see had a bit of interesting work over the years!

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:49 am
by mk1
Very interesting thread! I will watch it with interest.

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:28 am
by rich@minispares.com
wow

thats the real deal

ive never seen a van with the correct 1959 roof spoiler before...


:lol:

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:35 am
by mab01uk
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This April 1959 photo of a Mini Van prototype is from the book "Mini: The Definitive History" by Jon Pressnell, which says "the longer wheelbase underpan design for Van/Traveller/Countryman was put together during 1959 in Dick Gallimore's Longbridge body experimental shop. The first of the three variants to be announced in June 1960, was the 5cwt van with Countryman and Traveller announced in September 1960 and finally Pick-up debut at Geneva Motor Show in March 1961, available in UK from June 1961."

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:40 am
by Mrcrab86
That answers the question if was a prototype very interesting, just need to get to the bottom of the chassis number now and when they moved the petrol cap does anyone know who owns the earliest van?

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:18 am
by Mrcrab86
Chassis plate not there but the number is stamped on the top of the grill under the bonnet never seen that before..

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:50 am
by rich@minispares.com
Mrcrab86 wrote:Chassis plate not there but the number is stamped on the top of the grill under the bonnet never seen that before..
that's probably a local market requirement

most 'colonial' countries seemed to mistrust their population far more than the uk in the 1960's and realised that chassis tags could be easily unscrewed - the stamped in number stopped any fiddling! :lol:

Re: Austin Early Mini Van Production numbers

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:00 pm
by Tim
I've always found it ironic that in the UK, the difficulty in removing the various identification numbers is in inverse relationship to how important the number is in identifying the car. :lol:

Tim