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Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:38 pm
by mab01uk
Interesting example of a supercharged 850 below (recently posted in an 850 tuning thread on TMF) by Oz of 'OAP Race Engines'.
He also built many of the winning Mini engines during my brothers Mini 7 racing days!
Shorrock supercharged 850, bored +087 to fit Mini Se7en Omega pistons (908cc)
515 crank
Properly modified 998 rods
OAP 265/360 cam
295 head
"Showed 90hp on KAD dyno but reduced boost and ignition to give 75hp as it was on std 3 syncro box."
OAP RACE ENGINES
7 times Mini Se7en Champions
6 times Mighty Mini Champions
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... ?p=3341026
6 of the 8 Mini Se7ens featured in this video clip from 1998 (including my brother Steve) were running OAP engines.....
Epic Thruxton Last Corner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsr7yC7Yymg
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:29 am
by gr4h4m
Interesting cam choice. Nice looking engine. Seems to make the power in wonder what boost they were running?
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:23 pm
by bpirie1000
Cracking build...
More 850 respect......
Anyone got any spare mini 850 engines?
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:48 am
by mini63
Surely that belt setup is for the dyno only?
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:05 pm
by GraemeC
mini63 wrote:Surely that belt setup is for the dyno only?
Wouldn't have thought so, but would obviously also need the normal pump, pulley, alternator and belt putting on for the car too. The 'charger will always run off a separate belt though.
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:15 pm
by gr4h4m
Because there isn't a tensioner?
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:20 pm
by mk1
Good figures!
In fact VERY GOOD FIGURES!
I never ran any tensioner on my set up, I used the original twin belt pulleys with 2 separate v belts running side by side.
M
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:41 am
by emaljevan
nice set up. but hard too find a schorrock
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:40 pm
by mikep
gr4h4m wrote:Because there isn't a tensioner?
Lot of poly V belts don't need tensioners as they are elastic and are fitted by using groove fillers on the pulleys and sliding over them. That is a standard poly V but at that length we just run them over the pulleys job done, usually OK for quite a lot of power and tend to not slip.
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:54 am
by mk1
nice set up. but hard too find a schorrock.
Of all the 60'stuning mods I reckon it is far easier to find a good C75B than most other serious mods nowadays. I am constantly amazed as to how many crop up on ebay. Ok, they are an unknown quantity & can take some fitting, but at least they are still out there.
M
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:51 pm
by johnsimister
That could very probably be the engine that was built by Osbourne Auto Preparation for my 1959 Mini, LSK 706, the car originally restored by Perry Shaw who commisioned the engine, re-restored by me and which I sold in 2014. It looks exactly the same (although I did later fit a tensioner) and the spec is the same too. And it came with dyno figures. I hope it's still running OK.
John
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:14 am
by mab01uk
Another nice 850 build from Oz of 'OAP Race Engines'.
Dec 2015
"Currently doing 850 +060 Schmidt pistons with 2cc dish, flush deck height.Thick flange block with cam bearings, modified main caps, center strapped, pocketed for 36x29 940 head. OAP 275/400 cam.Modified 515 crank.Modified 998 rods.Teflon buttons.2 x either 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 SUs.Steel flywheel and backplate.4 syncro box, starting with 3.7 cwp but ratio will be finalised after dynoing. Mate wants something fun to drive on his 10 mile country lane commute."
May 2016
Finally got it on dyno. 62hp @ 6000 rpm. 60lb torque. Power hadn't peaked but had a carb problem that couldn't be sorted at the time."
Update July 2016:
"On dyno went mega lean at around 6200 due to one of the carbs losing vacuum. This now sorted. What an absolute jewel. Drivable at low revs, but get to 2500 and the rev counter needle flies round the dial to 7500. As power hadn't peaked on dyno at 6000, all we can say it is now in excess of 62hp.
We retained the 3.7 final drive, 3.4 would be a little long, 3.6 was mentioned, but in the end we couldn't be arsed for the small gain we think it would give."
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... ?p=3388494
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:07 am
by mab01uk
Link below to Oz's new
'OAP Race Engines' facebook page.
Lots of old Mini photos and stuff plus a few new bits coming up.
https://www.facebook.com/ozoap/
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:17 pm
by mk1
Glad to see that oz is doing Minis again.
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:14 pm
by mab01uk
mk1 wrote:Glad to see that oz is doing Minis again.
Had a long chat with Oz in the paddock at the Brands Hatch Mini Festival about the return of OAP and him getting back into Mini's again...after he was tempted into employment by a historic race engine company for the past few years. He is currently testing the first Mini 7 engine that he has built in 12 years for my late brother Steves nephew, Ross Billison and run by Steves old team of mechanics back together once again. Next year it is twenty years since Steve won the Mini 7 championship, so its going to be an all out effort to go for it again with OAP.
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... 1961-2001/
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:17 am
by mk1
Thats great news Martin!
Please keep us posted on how the season progresses.
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:46 pm
by SMOKE GREY
mab01uk wrote:Another nice 850 build from Oz of 'OAP Race Engines'.
Dec 2015
"Currently doing 850 +060 Schmidt pistons with 2cc dish, flush deck height.Thick flange block with cam bearings, modified main caps, center strapped, pocketed for 36x29 940 head. OAP 275/400 cam.Modified 515 crank.Modified 998 rods.Teflon buttons.2 x either 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 SUs.Steel flywheel and backplate.4 syncro box, starting with 3.7 cwp but ratio will be finalised after dynoing. Mate wants something fun to drive on his 10 mile country lane commute."
May 2016
Finally got it on dyno. 62hp @ 6000 rpm. 60lb torque. Power hadn't peaked but had a carb problem that couldn't be sorted at the time."
Update July 2016:
"On dyno went mega lean at around 6200 due to one of the carbs losing vacuum. This now sorted. What an absolute jewel. Drivable at low revs, but get to 2500 and the rev counter needle flies round the dial to 7500. As power hadn't peaked on dyno at 6000, all we can say it is now in excess of 62hp.
We retained the 3.7 final drive, 3.4 would be a little long, 3.6 was mentioned, but in the end we couldn't be arsed for the small gain we think it would give."
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... ?p=3388494
That's Slowboys 850 engine !
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:15 am
by mk1
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:29 pm
by 1071kev
mikep wrote:gr4h4m wrote:Because there isn't a tensioner?
Lot of poly V belts don't need tensioners as they are elastic and are fitted by using groove fillers on the pulleys and sliding over them. That is a standard poly V but at that length we just run them over the pulleys job done, usually OK for quite a lot of power and tend to not slip.
Tensioner allows the belt to clear the crossmember. Other models ran without I think.
Re: Shorrock supercharged 850 engine
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:51 am
by mk1
I didn't run a tensioner on mine & it didn't hit the crossmember.