JMO 969D

[kingfisher]

Come on lads, you've all been quiet on this one! Thoughts?
http://www.coys.co.uk/cars/1966-ex-bmc- ... i-cooper-s

[Pete]

Come on lads, you've all been quiet on this one!

Far from it...

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1946&start=3670

Heard some interesting stuff on this car yesterday, apparently James Martin's been contacted by Coys as a works car expert and all that's left of the car that left Abingdon is a chassis plate. More than some then!

[YMJ]

Come on lads, you've all been quiet on this one!

Far from it...

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1946&start=3670

Heard some interesting stuff on this car yesterday, apparently James Martin's been contacted by Coys as a works car expert and all that's left of the car that left Abingdon is a chassis plate. More than some then!

What, James Martin, the chef James Martin??

[mzmini]

Deja Vu ? been here before me thinks James Martin or Robert Young who's advice would you listen to

[spoon.450]

Deja Vu ? been here before me thinks James Martin or Robert Young who's advice would you listen to

Close call......but I have heard that Robert's quite good in the kitchen !!

[pad4]

hey - id rather have martins advise, any one that thinks they can pass of a ringer as a works car in a position of there own high esteem talks enough bollocks for everybody - time to give others a chance

pad

[pad4]

Christ it doesnt even have the bloody registration number allocated to it .............

pad

[pad4]

but thats fine the clowns at the MCR will say its real - just like ET was a real alien

[mzmini]

Hi Pad4 re James and Robert one will know a (Real Works Car)

[kingfisher]

Reference what's been said above, and of others before........here's a question for the wise ones.
Which Works cars, in your opinion, would you consider still retain a degree of authenticity???
I'd be fascinated to hear which ones, and what they retain.

[spoon.450]

Reference what's been said above, and of others before........here's a question for the wise ones.
Which Works cars, in your opinion, would you consider still retain a degree of authenticity???
I'd be fascinated to hear which ones, and what they retain.

In my opinion ( not that I'm a wise one ! ), they'd be the cars that retain most of THEIR Abingdon parts, the MAIN PART being the bodyshell.....Perhaps a new thread is needed...." TOP 40 WORKS CARS " ???

[mk1]

Although I am quite happy for the subject of the Authenticity of Works Minis to be discussed now & again in any section. I do not see any useful point in opening this particular bag of worms up to having its own thread.

We all know that 99% of all "Works" cars on the scene are to some extent bent. So do the owners, so does the MCR. However, chewing this matter over endlessly does not seem like a sensible thing to do here. It creates bad feeling & hostility leaving the MK1 forum open to the accusation that I as owner & moderator have an axe to grind. I don't, & I don't want to create that impression.

However! If anyone feels particularly strongly about this subject & has some EVIDENCE or FACT to contribute, who am I to stop you.

I hope you understand my reasons.

Mark F

[billycooper]

Although I am quite happy for the subject of the Authenticity of Works Minis to be discussed now & again in any section. I do not see any useful point in opening this particular bag of worms up to having its own thread.

We all know that 99% of all "Works" cars on the scene are to some extent bent. So do the owners, so does the MCR. However, chewing this matter over endlessly does not seem like a sensible thing to do here. It creates bad feeling & hostility leaving the MK1 forum open to the accusation that I as owner & moderator have an axe to grind. I don't, & I don't want to create that impression.

However! If anyone feels particularly strongly about this subject & has some EVIDENCE or FACT to contribute, who am I to stop you.

I hope you understand my reasons.

Mark F

I totally understand your reasons Mark, i'm with Spoon that i'm also interested in the works cars and what happened to them along there travels and what is and what isn't a genuine Abingdon car or an ex works car with continuous history, but I do understand there is a lot of owners out there that would prefer we didn't dig to much and open yet again another can of "ex works worms" !, im sure Pete or Simon776 or LMM76C will know what is and what isn't genuine if you get chance to have a pint with them !

[UHR850]

Found some pictures in my photobook !

[pad4]

My Bad - sorry Mark - They just get my goat up especially 1 or 2 of em , especially 1 of em

Anyway its red n white n a mini so its cool regardless

Pad

[Supersonic]

Reference what's been said above, and of others before........here's a question for the wise ones.
Which Works cars, in your opinion, would you consider still retain a degree of authenticity???
I'd be fascinated to hear which ones, and what they retain.

The short answer to your question is nobody after all these years knows absolutely what works cars are original and correct Abingdon parts built.
We all know it was common practice at Abingdon to swap number plates onto entirely new cars supplied by Longbridge when circumstances suited the works teams. When a rally car got damaged sometimes after one mile it was viewed as more cost effective to swap the chassis plate over to a complete new car. We also all know that the same works registrations where on numerous cars of different age and specification. It is factual to say a large percent of cars have been built from a works registration document and in real terms they are a works imitation (replica) cars. No reason why this debate should be divisive because we all need to understand motorsport has always had unscrupulous people who for some reason or another wish to be deceitful when discussion takes place concerning work cars. I did some research on standard Cooper S type Minis some years ago and found a very low volume of the survivors were authentic original built cars. This works car question blights the Mini landscape for some reason and when you consider 90% of Mini lovers could not give one jot about works cars, why all the commotion?

[wantafaster1]

Alan, I don't think there would be much commotion if they were worth nothing.

[Supersonic]

Totally agree with you Jeff, 30 years ago nobody wanted ex-works cars they were old hat. You know my friend has owned a genuine works car for more than 30 years and it would be well down my order of the nice cars he has in his collection.

Alan

[VKA305H]

My twopennyworth...... I know and completely understand that this is a very tricky subject but I do think there is a responsibility to portray the facts of what happened to these cars. In the fullness of time there will not be anyone around who was "there" and people in the future will rely on statements made now to be facts. Also there is a huge difference between the value of a car that is as it finished its last works drive and a car that has had six engines and seven body shells and three complete changes of running gear, yes it is better to have those cars but they are hardly the real thing. My interest is in the Mark 2 cars, look how complex their history is and there were not many of them. As someone suggested elsewhere there are different categories of ex-works car. Please keep talking about them, they are not a secret and plenty of us want to learn more about them and have "history" correct. Just my two pennyworth! Cheers Brian

[mzmini]

Christ only 99%