Ridiculous Prices

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aquamini wrote:I agree prices are getting a bit silly, but there are still good cars out there you just have to look.
The biggest problem is poorly restored cars at high prices minis are expensive cars to restore properly and cheap to bodge, good cars will always command good money let the tryers keep trying
Where?

If you find one, post it up here so I can see. I haven't had any luck :(
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aquamini wrote: you can still buy near concourse mk1's for under 10k which think personally is the right price considering properly done restoration costs.
Exactly,and I'm not for Minis becoming unaffordable generally, nobody is but who the hell is gonna spend £20K , several years of their life and a marriage break up restoring a rare S for example (and they are rare) and sell at 'In The Shed's' suggested £10K ??? The sentiment is heart warming but in reality it's a bonkers argument this one.
I'd love that Tardis to enable me to live in the past when cars were cheap and plentiful and I could grab stuff out of Loot on a Saturday morning or off scrap yard heap for next to nowt but times change alot more than we are aware and this resistance to the hard facts that the cars are hard to come by, mega bucks to restore and highly sort after are heard to ignore (though you lot are having a damn good go at it ! :lol: )
How can something so sort after and now not so common remain at the same prices ? To my mind it's a completely nonsensical 'argument' that it doesn't look like I'm winning ! ( :lol:)

You also have to take huge restoration costs into account and take that the cliche of old bloke with the S in the shed that would have sold it for a few hundred quid because he didn't know the true value or demand for them ten, fifteen years ago ,is now on the internet and fully clued up as to what's what, it's a different world we live in ! I also wouldn't take bloody Ebay or dealer prices at face value (which is what started this thread), half the time the prices are not what people pay, they're fluffed up with shill bids on Ebay and the dealer prices are just that, prices, not what buyers seem to pay.

Yes the dealers are ignorant and just after a buck but they can't rig a market unless they buy everything up (which I suppose is potentially possible) but I personally don't see them making a massive impact on the market, I genuinely can't see a day when the Mini isn't a sort after car or a day when there's more cars available than buyers, as I say it's always been going the other way, why would there be a reverse in that trend. The Mini is and always was much more than a commodity for the rich as in Rich's E Type story, the E Type was never a classless car, the Mini definately is.

The litmus test is exactly what Rich has touched on, mutants and (most) plastic Minis do not seem to have suffered the same fate of price inflation , because hardly anybody wants one. You can pick up an early mutant for peanuts, I've done it, how do we market rigging conspiracy theorists square that one ? :idea:

*heads for the bunker*

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Mk1Lover wrote:Here is the Mini i referred to earlier:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORRIS-MINI-M ... 3cce67484b

On second thoughts, it doesn't look too bad...

Anyone have an opinion on value/viability as a restoration project?

I'm in the market for a Mini (as I've said before), so if comments are favourable i might have a go...

Enzo

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Well, if it was mine and someone wanted to pay over £2000 for it, I wouldn't be TOO reluctant :lol:. Whatever any of us think the finished car might be worth there is a LOT of money and time to be spent on that before you could proudly drive around in it, and restoration costs - even if you do it yourself - don't get any less. Just ask anyone who's done it ;) .
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Good point, methinks we'll give that one a miss :)
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Go on then, bare shell MK1 ready for paint...then needs full assembly...(not an s) but similar spec...how much you reckon??? ;)
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Brynmor wrote:Go on then, bare shell MK1 ready for paint...then needs full assembly...(not an s) but similar spec...how much you reckon??? ;)
That all depends?
People have got different ideas of a restored shell. You either have an "original" shell were panels are carefully cut out and new metal is carefully let in, or you replace full panels with mini machine/ Heritage panels, which to perfectly honest is what I do. I cant see the point of patching in floors when you can fully replace the whole thing.

A fully prepared Mk 1 shell ready for painting, rebuilt with doors boot and bonnet is going to cost you about £7.5. Cheaper if you do it yourself and you have the skills to do it properly of course.

Add another £3k on top of that for a paint job, and then you can start spending money on the trim engine, box ancillaries etc, etc.
You might get away with £17k for a rebuilt car, but that could be up to £20k :o depending how far you want to go.
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It does however look like an honest little car.

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App K wrote:
cpr1 wrote:the HT leads and windscreen washer bottle alone are worth a lot of money on that car :roll:



Sorry to be rude, but its about time we all got a grip.
People who pay £400 for a glass washer bottle and £250 for a set of HT leads are quite frankly nuts.
Just to make another point..blah.. blah.. blah... :roll:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370746159917.
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App K wrote:
App K wrote:
cpr1 wrote:the HT leads and windscreen washer bottle alone are worth a lot of money on that car :roll:



Sorry to be rude, but its about time we all got a grip.
People who pay £400 for a glass washer bottle and £250 for a set of HT leads are quite frankly nuts.
Just to make another point..blah.. blah.. blah... :roll:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370746159917.

Bargain :lol:
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Someone needs to start making them at those prices and i'm off to the parts bin in my garage to dig them out. Which idiots are bidding or are they false bids :lol:
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Actually, just by way of backing this truck up a bit I've just listened to a phone in on Jeremy Vine and the conclusion of the discussion was as we all know cash money's worth nothing in the bank to the point that anyone with savings will be getting less interest than the rate of inflation ie: their cash is going down in value ! So people are ploughing cash into anything they see as short term investment, guitars, wine, anitiques, classic cars.
It's safe to say with specialist investments this relies on the investor knowing their onions and the truth is that the dipsticks that seem to have most of the cars for sale at the moment know absolutely sh*t about Mk1 Minis and hence have overpriced them all. So yes, dealers/commodity investors can definately have an effect on the market for early Minis and yes Rich though it pains me to say it you could well be right. (I still think early restored Minis have been undervalued for years though !!)

This advert tells you all you need to know from the dealer (or one of a cartel of them) that despite having a huge stock of early cars already and selling very few (because they're all overpriced) is still desperate for more....

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C361987

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As someone said, these cars have been undervalued for a long time. Everyone says £10'000 for a mint 850 Mini is mad, but we all know folk who paid more than that for some hateful Kia/Ford/Vauxhall shitbox that in 4 years will be worth 3p and a packet of fags.

Take into account that a nice Mark 1 Mini will always have a substantial value - probably more than you paid for it - and it works out as a very cheap car when you sell it. However, part of the appeal of farting about with old Minis was that they were cheap.


£6000 for a tatty 1960 needing a full restoration is madness.................or is it? Truth be known, the vendor probably isn't that far off its value.
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Pete wrote:Actually, just by way of backing this truck up a bit I've just listened to a phone in on Jeremy Vine and the conclusion of the discussion was as we all know cash money's worth nothing in the bank to the point that anyone with savings will be getting less interest than the rate of inflation ie: their cash is going down in value ! So people are ploughing cash into anything they see as short term investment, guitars, wine, anitiques, classic cars.
It's safe to say with specialist investments this relies on the investor knowing their onions and the truth is that the dipsticks that seem to have most of the cars for sale at the moment know absolutely sh*t about Mk1 Minis and hence have overpriced them all. So yes, dealers/commodity investors can definately have an effect on the market for early Minis and yes Rich though it pains me to say it you could well be right. (I still think early restored Minis have been undervalued for years though !!)

This advert tells you all you need to know from the dealer (or one of a cartel of them) that despite having a huge stock of early cars already and selling very few (because they're all overpriced) is still desperate for more....

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C361987

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130840042378? ... 1423.l2649

What about a wee bit of shiny trim to put on your over priced car?
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Must say that 5-6 years ago I had a fair idea of the price of things....got offered a very desireable restoration project 'S' today but literally have no idea of what to offer!!

The same has happened with Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts...although I must say a standard 'S' is much nicer to drive than a standard RS2000 Mk2... :lol:
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its a reflection of the times, and ive noticed more and more over the last 3 years, ebay is inflating prices over what i would pay for alot of things, so i simply dont buy if i dont think theyre worth it. This is also leading to autojumble disappearing, why advertise to say a few thousand people at £100 for instance, when you can advertise to millions, and they will fight and pay alot more for what your selling.
I'm not defending it but we have to remember that now some of us are in possession of increasingly very rare vehicles, and original items are not being made anymore. I have just fulfilled a childhood dream of owning a mini pickup, its not and early one and its not concours, but even i wince at what i payed, but i accept that theyre rare, and even though the condition isnt brilliant, i knew exactly what i was buying.

I think aslong as ebay exists, and their is speculators, and people with no idea of what things are worth, these prices will continue.
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Mk1's cars and parts have risen in price alot fact good if you are selling i suppose,nearly everyone has the internet now and knows what things are worth.
There are still bargains to be had on ebay though, i bought a steering wheel the other week for £40 and i personally think it was a bargain.On the other hand i sold some things the other week and some of the prices are embarrassing as i personally don't think they were worth what was paid.I stiil have alot to get rid off as i just don't need it some things are what i class as rubbish ie original yellow stripe early heater hoses,59/60 locks etc etc i wouldn't use them but if someone is that hellbent on originallity they can have them.Think i will also dig some early 59/60 butterfly nuts for the airfilters out if people are paying silly prices for stuff let them.
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Cables wrote:its a reflection of the times, and ive noticed more and more over the last 3 years, ebay is inflating prices over what i would pay for alot of things, so i simply dont buy if i dont think theyre worth it. This is also leading to autojumble disappearing, why advertise to say a few thousand people at £100 for instance, when you can advertise to millions, and they will fight and pay alot more for what your selling.

Agree, I made a simelar input on another forum, where the topic was pros & cons of the internet.

Eventually the old fashioned autojumbles will dissapear, when all the old guys are gone.

As it is here in Denmark now, we still a lot of people who dont sell online (or even have a computer)

so you can still make a good buy or two, but once these guys pass away, its only Ebay left.

I saw Mark,s posting regarding not making another Mini becourse of the prices on parts, and agree - it wont get cheaper.
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Its the main reason i bit the bullet and bought a pickup, cause in a few years i wont be able to afford one.
I looked in a 1995 mini mag and i could have bought 4 for what i payed for mine.
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Cables wrote:Its the main reason i bit the bullet and bought a pickup, cause in a few years i wont be able to afford one.
I looked in a 1995 mini mag and i could have bought 4 for what i payed for mine.

Agree, it wont get cheaper, so we need to be happy for what we already "hoarded" and kept in our garages.
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