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Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:51 pm
by Jack of all trades
@ Guru,

Yes it is and would you believe even the car upfront (54) was a Broadspeed prepared car from Racing Team Holland, more famous for Slotemaker and Ben Pon. Thc car next to BOP243C (the dark one with the 3 stripes in the center) was a Brabham prepared car that crashed beyond repair later in the year because of a broken steering joint. No 67 is a mistery to me.

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:55 pm
by 36inter
Not a roll cage to be seen....

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:30 pm
by sandman
36inter wrote:Not a roll cage to be seen....
I see at least two rollbars...


Not sure if anyone's notices but if you look into the front wheel-whell in the first photo of the "ex-works car" it looks like the inner wings are, dare I say, Tweed Grey..

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:33 pm
by Etienne B.
Jack of all trades wrote: He raced the car as pictured only once or twice after then it changed to this;
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for 1969 it looked like this;
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Sponsored by the London Rubber Cy that later sponsored John Surthees team.

Jack,

Looking at those late pictures of the car, I was wondering whether it wasn't sold in the early 70's to a relative of a famous belgian driver ...
Do you know anything about this ?

Regards,
Etienne

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:06 am
by Jack of all trades
Does anybody have pictures of the Broadspeed teamcars of '65 when still in GB?

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:57 pm
by 1ely
In the first pic looks like a bit of writing in the bottom right hand corner of the door? could be wrong.

Francis

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:36 pm
by UHR850
This is a colour photo of car nr: 54 the one from the black & white picture (zandvoort).

http://excoboard.com/forums/13326/user/ ... 328161.jpg

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:20 pm
by Jack of all trades
Rob Slotemaker never raced that car, i only named him because of his involvements with the Racing Team Holland of wich Eric Hazelhof Roelofsma (de Soldaat van Oranje) was one of the founders.
Rob was a driver for Downton from 1962 until 1965 (as far as i know)

The mentioned car was raced for RTH for 1966 and 1967. After that the driver Freek Dudok van Heel "defected" to the SRT Holland (het Stichts racing team) of Joop Heidendahl and the car changed colour to the familiar white with the red and blue stripe for the 1968 seazon as it had a lot of experiance with Broadspeed prepared cars.
That team had bought the BOP242C and BOP243C early 1966 with support from the oilcompany PAM (that later became Chevron) for their top drivers Hans Oskamp and Ben Huisman (who was the race director for the 1973 Dutch Grand Prix when Williamson died, but thats a complete other story) and flew them in on a carvair to Rotterdam zestienhoven airfield and even Ralph Broad's wife jane came with them according to the newspapers from that time.

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:29 pm
by Toby
Do you know if any of them lived in or near Camperduin at the time?

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:44 pm
by Jack of all trades
Most of the Dutch drivers where local to the circuit, when and who are you looking for? The SRT was based in Utrecht at Houthandel Utrecht that late became HUBO they bought the BOP Broadspeed cars in 1966, Dudok van Heel was from Naarden, Hildebrand (who raced the Broadspeed GTS from 1967 in Holland) was from Amsterdam, Oskamp from Nieuwegein, Akersloot Hilversum ect.

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:08 pm
by Toby
A friend of mine has an S that started life in the UK and at the end of 67 was exported to Holland. Now the new owner lived in Camperduin and we believe he did race it. Now it's quite noticeable as it is monotone black. We are basically trying to trace it's history in Holland.

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:25 pm
by trevorhp
Just caught up with this topic, fascinating stuff and hats off to the eagle eyed members out there.

One minor contribution from me which may be useful to someone, in 1968 ETCC Gp5 regs did not require bumpers to be fitted, just a 'protective cover' added to the flange/brackets usually a piece of side finisher trim and as light as possible.

This is a contemporary picture confirming this, I have others, if anyone is interested
http://s1116.photobucket.com/albums/k56 ... nett68.jpg

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:50 pm
by RS6
trevorhp wrote:This is a contemporary picture confirming this, I have others, if anyone is interested
http://s1116.photobucket.com/albums/k56 ... nett68.jpg
Superb. The dog's satchel no less.

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:32 pm
by COOPERCO
trevorhp wrote:This is a contemporary picture confirming this, I have others, if anyone is interested
We're interested, just look at the number of views on this thread!......yes please Trevor :)

Mike.

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:30 pm
by Pete
That's a nice photo of John isn't it, ( I'm sure I've got one of those cards signed by him somewhere !). I'm working on an article about Handley at the moment, just short of any early pictures of him in his own rally car if anyone has anything I'd appreciate it.

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:28 am
by Jack of all trades
Trevor,

The ETCC group 5 rules didn't require bumpers, the Dutch TCC by then was at group 2 (at the start of the season) an they did require bumpers. So thats why bumpers where fitted to the CCC car when raced in Holland for the DTCC in 1968.

Jack

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:48 am
by trevorhp
Jack,
That is interesting.
Gp5 also required the passenger seat and rear seats to be standard OE but the drivers seat was free.
Looking back it still seems odd when pretty much everything else could be 'homologation special' equipment.
I guess it was to preserve some of the ethos of a 'road' car appearing on the track, this carried over to BTCC for a while too.

Pete
Nice to hear about the article.
I will see what I can do, I have some very old colour slides probably including John taken by my father on rallies and trackside from around '61 to '70+.
I have some other personal stuff too PM me please
Trevor

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:43 pm
by Pete
Trevor it's worth checking out the thread Austin Costin started last year all about his restoration of the Arden Gp5 racer if you haven't already.I remember talking to Ginger Devlin about Gp5 some time ago and he just couldn't remember what was and wasn't legal, ie the hydro taps etc. Yes I'll PM you re piccys. :D

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:58 am
by Jack of all trades
the Hydro taps where illegal is the system was prevented to work, so only when they are closed!
The way aroud was the possibility for the driver open the taps on the out lap!! then the front would be reconnected to the back and everything worked like advertised albeit stiff because of the high pressure. The way it worked; two people stand in the boot, close the taps and then top up the rear displacers to the max and hey presto rock solid handling :lol:

Re: Cooper Car Company Car '67

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:24 pm
by ivor badger
Jack of all trades wrote:the Hydro taps where illegal is the system was prevented to work, so only when they are closed!
The way aroud was the possibility for the driver open the taps on the out lap!! then the front would be reconnected to the back and everything worked like advertised albeit stiff because of the high pressure. The way it worked; two people stand in the boot, close the taps and then top up the rear displacers to the max and hey presto rock solid handling :lol:
The car I examined closely was Steve Neal's Arden car after it was sold into private hands. It had taps (courtesy of BSS?)fitted on the hyro unit connections at the front and quite unreachable from the drivers seat.