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I don’t think HE pays the fine for using the Range Rover Ken (sorry … Shirley) I dare say it goes against his expenses that the London residents pay for !! So does he give a flying f**k … what do you think ??!!

I’d agree with what you say about Essex and in fact all the Home Counties. A lot of my family are from the Welling and Bexley areas in Kent .. some are just outside the zone some aren’t ….

Living in the sticks definitely has its advantages

Andrew1967 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:46 am Living in the sticks definitely has its advantages

Hence the mass exodus from London......have had lots move in around us since the pandemic, you can normally spot them, as they will often install big gates and security ...why, I am not quite sure maybe those country folks are a bit scary

"Motorists with older, environmentally friendly cars which are not aged enough to be deemed as classics are being forced from the road by the impending Ulez expansion, while gas guzzlers owned by millionaires are being welcomed to London.
Despite pumping out less than one third of the C02 than the most polluting new cars on sale, drivers of older cars face having to pay £12.50, while watching owners of the latest models by Rolls Royce, Ferrari and Mercedes continue their unimpeded access to the city.
Under the Ulez scheme, which has been described by critics as 'Sadiq Khan's vanity cash grabbing plan', motorists driving petrol cars which do not at least meet the Euro IV standard face having to pay the controversial charge. For diesel owners, they must have the latest Euro VI engines or hand over cash each day they cross into the soon-to-be expanded zone."
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/car ... sions.html

You'd need to pay me £12.50 to enter London.

It was great in the eighties and now it's a dump.

This is the wanker , well so mummy says say

goff wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 6:22 pm This is the wanker , well so mummy says say

Should be "YOU'RE A WANKER" ...

Exminiman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:47 pm ....maybe one of the reasons why more people are leaving London than moving to it

That or the fact stab vests are uncomfortable...

Exminiman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:59 am

Andrew1967 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:46 am Living in the sticks definitely has its advantages

Hence the mass exodus from London......have had lots move in around us since the pandemic, you can normally spot them, as they will often install big gates and security ...why, I am not quite sure maybe those country folks are a bit scary

They know whats coming ??

"Maybe it's because I am an ex Londoner now that I am glad i left several years ago>"
To the tune "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner."
Last weekend I took part in the London to Brighton Mini Run. As I left the M25 and got onto the A22 on the way to the startI hit the BIGGEST pothole ever. Luckily no lasting damage but the depth and severity of all of then them from London to Brighton and back was horrenrdous (motorway, A roads etc). Rally special stages are smoother now.

See Page 32 of the London plan below....

Next steps for reducing emissions from road transport:-
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/next-steps-f ... nsport.pdf

Well hopefully Sadiq gets voted out and we can stop this madness in London.

I had an email from RAC yesterday where some London boroughs (Islington springs to mind) where they are going to introduce graduated parking charges depending on emissions.

Another example of screwing the motorists and especially hurting those who cannot afford anything newer. *ankers

If only this was confined to London but unfortunately too many other cities are jumping on the bandwagon. We live near Bristol and the ULEZ zone there is crazy. Even if you don’t want to get into the centre of the city you can’t get from one side to the other easily without hitting it.
It’s all very well saying go by public transport but what happens if you work outside of those hours? My partner is a train driver, how can he go to work by train when he has to take the things out of the depot in the morning to start the service!

We had to sell our 1989 Ikarus 260 bus as we couldn’t drive it through Bristol anymore. From where we had it stored that was the easiest route for us to take it out. Couldn’t afford to just keep it until it becomes 40 years old and who knows what the rules will be by then. But in all fairness with the smoking 10L RABA engine spewing clouds of diesel fumes over pedestrians (It’s LDH so the exhaust is on the pavement side) it was probably best that we didn’t use it too much through city centres

We did get chance to take it into London before the ULEZ zones really kicked in. It was done up to look like a Moscow city bus for the filming of Litvinenko staring David Tennant

72MiniPickUp wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:07 pm It’s all very well saying go by public transport but what happens if you work outside of those hours? My partner is a train driver, how can he go to work by train when he has to take the things out of the depot in the morning to start the service!

Someone who works at Heathrow airport was telling me they have to drive into the expanded ULEZ zone from outside, by car due to their work shifts which start before midnight and finish some hours later the next morning. As their car will be charged crossing into the zone on the way to work at Heathrow it will cost £12.50, then driving home early the next morning will cost another £12.50 for the return trip....he does not have a highly paid job, he can't afford to live within London near Heathrow and maybe use public transport and he can't afford to buy a replacement for his 2014 non-compliant diesel car...(In 2001, Gordon Brown – then Chancellor – introduced lower vehicle tax for diesel cars on the basis they were less polluting and would bring down overall carbon dioxide levels....).

I think this is quite interesting from the "Brown Car Guy" - he takes a pollution detector around London and gets very low and safe figures (even on North circular) except out side tube stations!

It looks as if a train passing a station may cause enough air disturbance to cause the particulates (old dust etc...) to become airborne and dangerous!!

Worth a watch.. https://youtu.be/2QJpRrztcDM

I am not one for conspiracy theories...but...this is starting to feel a bit of a stich up - whether the motivation is just money, seems unclear.

Exminiman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:12 pm I am not one for conspiracy theories...but...this is starting to feel a bit of a stich up - whether the motivation is just money, seems unclear.

It is purely a stitch up to raise money to plug the huge 'Black Hole' in TFL's budget....if it was for air pollution and to save lives you would not let drivers pay £12.50 to continue using a 'dirty' vehicle within the zone....
Once the camera infrastructure is in place on the back of this, there are already plans being put forward by Transport for London for 'smart' road charging for ALL vehicles....including EV's.

mab01uk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:08 pm

Exminiman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:12 pm I am not one for conspiracy theories...but...this is starting to feel a bit of a stich up - whether the motivation is just money, seems unclear.

It is purely a stitch up to raise money to plug the huge 'Black Hole' in TFL's budget....if it was for air pollution and to save lives you would not let drivers pay £12.50 to continue using a 'dirty' vehicle within the zone....
Once the camera infrastructure is in place on the back of this, there are already plans being put forward by Transport for London for 'smart' road charging for ALL vehicles....including EV's.

I suppose the argument for taxing EVs will be >50% of traffic pollution is tyre pollution.....and because they are heavier.....

With all this spy camera bullsh*t going on in cities there is a business opportunity to start up suppling James Bond style revolving number plates, BMT 140A would be a start.

No need for expensive revolving number plates. Seemingly, so I've been informed by the son of a friend of a friends daughter, is that round the South, some of the miscreants have taken to using one of those black wipe-clean whiteboard markers to, say, make a P look like an R or an L look like an E or a C..... or an F....... You get my drift. Then just wipe it clean with your finger after you've parked for the day - or overnight,,,,,,,,,!

VERY naughty and these miscreants deserve a smack on the bottom. I'm minded to suggest that they just accept the parking fine and pay up