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gs.davies wrote:
Is this sort of thing not a criminal offence?

Didn't stop buyers from blowing six big fat ones on DJB 93B, EBL 56C and ""GRX 309D"" but at least they were acurate replicas!

A distinct lack of current state photos make it seem more suspect too. Does really look like something is trying to be hidden. Taking 10 extra photos would have taken absolutely no extra time or effort

One photo that always seems to be missing from these 'works car' auctions is anything in that fifty year gap between the 60s rally shots and the current car.

BMC 1800D Diesel Engine Austin Morris Mini Cooper Pininfarina Leyland MGB Sherpa ?????
USA eBay item number:262115274634

Pete wrote:
There was a thread on here about JMO 969D but I've done a search and buggered if I can find it, can anyone else find it? Has it been deleted? I posted a heap of pictures on it from the first guise to the last.

Found it

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13701&hilit=jmo+works

Why on earth given that the Comps Department had their pick of cars from the production line would they have chosen a surf blue car - they wouldn't. Nor would they have reshelled it in a surf blue shell. If the car was sold after it's rally career rather than being scrapped ( like BOO 911F) the OUTSIDE might have been repainted. It is pretty clear therefore that the car for sale has no connection with the JMO identity apart from somebody having stuck it on the bonnet ( and even then they didn't even bother to get the right font). I agree that given the complete absence of any provenance Coys should withdraw it....

It's a good illustration of how disingenuous auction descriptions can be. Have a read of this old one and see if you can find the word REPLICA in it :

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19289/lot/214/

Now maybe the buyer knew full well that the car was built purely from a number plate (as described in Peter Browning's book) but you could hardly say it's an accurate description.

http://www.historics.co.uk/buying/aucti ... ke=&model=


A few Minis for auction at Brooklands, from a collection ?

These are the "weasel words" for DJB

"commissioned a total restoration to original Works specification". "A correct and fully restored Mk1 body shell was employed,"

In all fairness Phil Short NEVER claimed that DJB was anything other than a replica, the first time I am aware of, of this particular fact being "skimmed over" was in that auction blurb.

Whichever way you look at it, that was a lovely mini.

M

No Phil was fairly pragmatic about it, especially as it was already in print as a recreation in the Browning book. I've never heard it referred to as a replica though, literally ever, more chance of an actor talking about Macbeth! The trouble is with these things is that one owner down the line and it's suddenly become a 'works car', as it was described when it was driven at Goodwood.
Would you get on the rally stage at Goodwood with an honest replica? Nope! So deceiving the public does open doors and that's why it happens. Oh and the small matter of the £100K price tag that a so called "works car" suddenly attracts and a replica doesn't.

Simon776 wrote:

Lars Ytterbring who put in a fine performance on the Scottish rally by finishing runner up to Roger Clarks Escort. This was the last time the car was used in anger.......

What about the 30+ events Rob Lawrence did in the car?

Sounds like Coys have done their usual level of research

I'm sure I read in "Memory Lanes" Motoring News book by Peter Robinson, that Rob rolled the car and had to re shell it (ill check it out tonight) maybe as a long shot he used a Surf Blue car to reshell it, and that was the car that was then used as a base for the clubman fronted Hill climb car then a round nose drafted on to put it back to Works spec !!!!

Long shot ......... but !!!

billycooper wrote:

Simon776 wrote:

Lars Ytterbring who put in a fine performance on the Scottish rally by finishing runner up to Roger Clarks Escort. This was the last time the car was used in anger.......

What about the 30+ events Rob Lawrence did in the car?

Sounds like Coys have done their usual level of research

I'm sure I read in "Memory Lanes" Motoring News book by Peter Robinson, that Rob rolled the car and had to re shell it (ill check it out tonight) maybe as a long shot he used a Surf Blue car to reshell it, and that was the car that was then used as a base for the clubman fronted Hill climb car then a round nose drafted on to put it back to Works spec !!!!

Long shot ......... but !!!

Quite possible, but if so, how much of it now is " works " ??

How do these 'Mini' dealers get away with talking so much shite about what is correct, original and condition etc

http://www.cambridge-miniworks.co.uk/li ... -restored/

This was my late friends car, sold for circa £11K last weekend.

That interior came out of one of my cars

The Mini van listed on that site is nowhere near as well restored as may be indicated - sold for circa £6700 last weekend. New floors but cover sills What the hell is going on with the brake pipes

Good luck to the sellers trying to make a quick buck doing bugger all, but come on, be honest with your descriptions

Andrew1967 wrote:How do these 'Mini' dealers get away with talking so much shite about what is correct, original and condition etc

http://www.cambridge-miniworks.co.uk/li ... -restored/

This was my late friends car, sold for circa £11K last weekend.

That interior came out of one of my cars

The Mini van listed on that site is nowhere near as well restored as may be indicated - sold for circa £6700 last weekend. New floors but cover sills What the hell is going on with the brake pipes

Good luck to the sellers trying to make a quick buck doing bugger all, but come on, be honest with your descriptions

Andrew,

If you go into Pistonheads under classic Mini and look at the grey 1962 Mini Pick-up for sale by Auto-Union Northants that will open your eyes. This is clearly a 1979 Mini Pick-up given a 1962 identity. How do dealers get away with this and who would pay £15,995 for such a poor deception? My friend is going to email them and ask did the Mini Pick-up have a steering-lock and dual-circuit brake system in 1962

Alan

Supersonic wrote:
If you go into Pistonheads under classic Mini and look at the grey 1962 Mini Pick-up for sale by Auto-Union Northants that will open your eyes. This is clearly a 1979 Mini Pick-up given a 1962 identity. How do dealers get away with this and who would pay £15,995 for such a poor deception? My friend is going to email them and ask did the Mini Pick-up have a steering-lock and dual-circuit brake system in 1962

Alan

I see what you mean Alan.

A nice late 70's pick up, although it looks like its got oversills on it like that van. Don't lift the bonnet though - thats horrible. Interior is not brilliant either.

As you say, not a hint of a '62 pick up there - tax exempt special, as we call 'em

Thinking that my current pick up, also going to be Tweed Grey, would look great with Minilife alloys

I think the brakes on that van are potentially lethal as there is no brake limiter at all in the system and wouldn't be surprised if the split system is all wrong. So much for paying attention to even the closest of details !!!

Andrew

62Countryman wrote:BMC 1800D Diesel Engine Austin Morris Mini Cooper Pininfarina Leyland MGB Sherpa ?????
USA eBay item number:262115274634

Just short of $5000 for Sherpa engine that would be worth scrap price only ,Say $50 ,as they were absolute shite ,Unbelievable.!!!!

Andrew1967 wrote:How do these 'Mini' dealers get away with talking so much shite about what is correct, original and condition etc

http://www.cambridge-miniworks.co.uk/li ... -restored/

Good luck to them trying to get fifteen big ones for a Mk2 Mini in yellow!

Apparently correct to every last nut and bolt... I guess hydro is a fixture and not nuts and bolts then...

The previous owner tragically died in an accident at his premises earlier this year.

The Cooper is a genuine Mk2 Cooper and was restored by himself, for himself. He changed the colour for personal preference and I guess converted to dry as well. Once restored, he used it a few times but then preferred his MGB Roadster and hence why it hasn't seen any miles since. When I last saw him earlier this year, he was planning on selling it anyway.

So it's not the car I have any problem about, its the bullshit description given by the current seller who give the impression of being Mini experts

Same goes for that van. Caveat Emptor on that one for sure !