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Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:57 am
by mk1
I agree, I reckon that the two cars with Enzo in the picture are indeed two different Minis with "similar" features.

M

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:08 pm
by RTJ
Have a listen to John Cooper from 26.30 about Enzo's car's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ieVmF-8 ... 1393243333

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:03 pm
by Jeroen Booij
RTJ wrote:Have a listen to John Cooper from 26.30 about Enzo's car's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ieVmF-8 ... 1393243333
Wow, that's wonderful. Thanks!

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:16 pm
by JC T ONE
RTJ wrote:Have a listen to John Cooper from 26.30 about Enzo's car's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ieVmF-8 ... 1393243333


So once again we live to learn more 8-)

Enzo had 3 Mini Cooper,s 8-) cool

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:08 pm
by Pete
Yes Enzo had a few Mini Coopers but not necessarily coach built, also I don't see any differences between the two silver cars in the two photos other than the wheels (taking into account the different angles and the very grainy nature of the shots). So what are the differences ?

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:32 am
by mk1
Main "difference" is the front panel / wing seam. But as you say it could be due to low resolution images.

Image

M

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:07 am
by Pete
I suspect that due to the lighting, angle of shot and grubby image that the seam's "disappeared" from view, they look like the same car to me. I think the line of the quarter light runs in line with the petrol pump as well so is possibly there. There again my eyesight's not what it was ! :oops: Incidentally Steve Harris said recently that the car didn't have any work done at Downton, just checked over and delivered .

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:18 am
by graeme1293
I think the indicator is slightly further out on the later car - and the shroud ends up a bit longer and more tapered. I am sure you would see the seam in that photo if it was there.

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:24 am
by Nevsmini
I also believe they are the same car. Both silver and both early mk1 shells with the same lights on the front. Why would he get 2 cars converted by a coachbuilder to the same spec within a short time frame.

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:11 am
by Jeroen Booij
The promised detail pictures have arrived, as have copies of the paperwork.
And it's all in favour of the car's presumed history, I would say!

See http://maximummini.blogspot.com/2014/02 ... ckens.html

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:26 am
by foxy52
RTJ wrote:Have a listen to John Cooper from 26.30 about Enzo's car's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ieVmF-8 ... 1393243333
...Cracking vid that one ... tks for posting ..foxy52

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:57 am
by Pete
Jeroen Booij wrote:The promised detail pictures have arrived, as have copies of the paperwork.
And it's all in favour of the car's presumed history, I would say!

See http://maximummini.blogspot.com/2014/02 ... ckens.html
Well done Jeroen ! That does look interesting, looks like a Hooper dash panel. Chassis number looks consistant with a dry car and full front skirt.

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:09 pm
by Jeroen Booij
Pete wrote:
Jeroen Booij wrote:The promised detail pictures have arrived, as have copies of the paperwork.
And it's all in favour of the car's presumed history, I would say!

See http://maximummini.blogspot.com/2014/02 ... ckens.html
Well done Jeroen ! That does look interesting, looks like a Hooper dash panel. Chassis number looks consistant with a dry car and full front skirt.
Thanks Pete.
Another car that would do nicely at Blyton Park, wouldn't it?

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:17 pm
by Pete
You wish ! :lol:

Always difficult with a restored car but there looks to be lots of other 'right' details on it for the age.

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:27 pm
by Nevsmini
Yep thats a very early Hooper dash, the same dash is fitted to princess Margaret's 1071 Hooper

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:19 pm
by Jeroen Booij
Pete wrote:You wish ! :lol:

Always difficult with a restored car but there looks to be lots of other 'right' details on it for the age.
My thought exactly. Our initial skepticism is slowly melting, isn't it? ;)

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:36 pm
by Nevsmini
The Red car has innocenti doors which were not made until after the mk1's. It's also a hydrolastic car which would not have had a full skirt front panel. ??????

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:22 pm
by mk1
It definitely looks like it has hydro pipes. I don't think the front panel is an issue as it looks like it has been changed.

I am however starting to err on the side of believing this is what it claims to be.

M

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:52 pm
by Pete
Nevsmini wrote: It's also a hydrolastic car which would not have had a full skirt front panel. ??????
That's an interesting point, anyone ever owned a hydro car with a full skirt ? I've heard of several.

Re: Enzo's S?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:59 pm
by morris cooper
There's another BMC one off with a very similar interior, it's a long time since I saw it maybe 10 years or more, if I remember correctly a '65 Austin with a 998 engine built by apprentices for a director of BMC. Carlton Grey with dark red interior, reg COH800C I think. The same Microcell? seats and the same trim pattern, from a big Healey? It would be interesting to learn more about these one off cars, I would imagine the factory had the skills to do just about anything in the 1960's
Bill