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So where was that photo taken, Zandvoort ?

RS6 wrote:

Pete wrote:You just never know with these cars, nothing's set in stone...

As with Mike Nesmith's car in this month's MCR mag...featured in Pete's (excellent) article...with its Downton engine complete with alloy rocker cover.

Thanks for the compliment (it's all recycled info really but the photos were a bugger to get and did cost ££ !) and yes I've seen a few Downton engines with Minifin rocker covers on now, mine included (though mine wasn't tuned).

Ant Hines wrote:Another indicator that it's the same car is the spacing of the black tape on the headlights - particularly a comparison of the LH one in both photos

You're right it's the same !

Simon776 wrote:Looking at the interior mirror stem I would say it's a pre April 1966 built car.

Could in theory be a GPH car then ?



Could this mean one of those GPH cars in Japan is a fake then ????

Yes it was taken at Zandvoort, where the '65 Broadspeed teamcars ended up aswell! (not the same owner tough).
And the picture of 2C looks very similar to the car, could it be? The cars sold to Holland normaly had the Reg. plates and usualy the paperwork remained in GB in hands of the former owners (as you couldn't register a GB car on a Dutch adress) Could somebody use the paperwork to create fakes then??

Nice work Jack!!!
A lot of original race cars did end up in Holland - as did the Broadspeed GTS.
Is this where the real BOP cars ended up then?
Chris

Jack of all trades wrote:And the picture of 2C looks very similar to the car, could it be?

They look similar, but 2C has earlier doors and no bonnet lock thingy. Also, no moustache grille ends.

In one of the pictures on page 1 it has a roll bar, while on the other it doesn't. Obviously it means nothing as it could have been fitted later... it's just one more difference between the 2 pictures.

@Broadspeed gt
The BOP242C and BOP234C teamcars ended up in Holland and a guy called Hildebrand that was a close friend of Fitzpatrick raced a Broadspeed teamcar in '66 overhere aswell in the formule Libre. In this class you where allowed to race with alloy panels, oversized engines ect, it was one of the Ilford challange cars form Broadspeed.
Rob Slotemaker raced here with Downton cars and even John Aley had a race team overhere.
So a lot of "used" race coopers got a second third and even fourth live here before "dying" in Rallycross.
On the rallycross part that was on television here even before your BBC had it a factory team called British Leyland Netherlands had mr Hugh Weldon that drove the 4wd special tuning clubman painted white with BLN team on it.

@ Ricardo

As Simon stated the interiour mirror is pre '66 and the roll over bar was just coming in to use aroud '67/'68 here in holland so he could have installed that, the door handles could have been a later addition aswell, later in '69 het mk2'ed the car and even fitted a mk2 grill and one race the top part flew off(because there wasn't any lip to attach it to).

Could this mean one of those GPH cars in Japan is a fake then ????

I can't possibly imagine anyone faking something like a 60's racing car or even one of those red & white rally cars . . . . . Surely

Fake with invoice PO from John Cooper Garage/ middle dealers?
Looks like they had CCC letter for the purchase??
And its a Morris in Japan!



Al

mk1 wrote:I can't possibly imagine anyone faking something like a 60's racing car or even one of those red & white rally cars . . . . . Surely

Pete wrote:Could this mean one of those GPH cars in Japan is a fake then ????

What about Broadspeed Bop cars - I always thought the real cars went to Holland.
Chris

@Broadspeed gt
The BOP242C and BOP234C teamcars ended up in Holland and a guy called Hildebrand that was a close friend of Fitzpatrick raced a Broadspeed teamcar in '66 overhere aswell in the formule Libre.

From a earlier posting.

to mr irritant

I have already read the previous posts & am comfirming that I too believe the original Broadspeed BOP cars went to Holland
& did not stay in the UK.

Chris

Another thread that has taken on an unpleasant "diggy" nature.

"irritant" I am watching you! I don't like the look of "new members" who register & instantly wade in to this sort of debate!

Bit tenous some might say but this car's got the same kink on the grille and what looks like that odd bonnet fixing (I've trawled through shots of CCC cars and these two details are unique to this car and the ex team car in the first post on this thread)



That same bonnet spring on this shot, all the same car I reckon as it's so unusual and with the development 8 port engine which also ties in with Jack's story ..



Also you can see this car looks to have been originally Tweed Grey and the rear seat in ex team car in the first post does look grey, certainly not red..

Jack -Have you got any pics or info of the Broadspeed BOP cars in Holland ?
Chris

The positioning of the strap and the grill are certanly an uncanny match.

I've just "waded" in to this thread and although I don't want to upset anyone, is it really that important? It seems to be raising the termp[erature in the kitchen to an unbelievable level

@ Pete,

Where do i start; somewhere in the stack of pictures of the guy that bought the car was a picture of a fuelinjected engine, i didn't see the meaning of it because he never had a car fitted with one. Seeing all now i think he took the picture when het tested the car before buying of the engine fitted at the time, i haven't got that picture but i seem to remember there was a 5 painted on the bulkhead. Could the car have been a testbed for engine's and maybe even for striping to be used for the 1968 seazon?
He raced the car as pictured only once or twice after then it changed to this;

for 1969 it looked like this;

Sponsored by the London Rubber Cy that later sponsored John Surthees team.

@ Broadspeed GT

Early 1966 (februari) the two BOP cars where flown in and directly tested at Zandvoort;
Here's a pic from a newspaper cutting;

Its behind the pits at the Zandvoort circuit
And here's one of BOP243C coming thrue the Gerlachbocht before going up the Hunzerug

The cars where painted white(the team colours) shortly after the picture was taken.
Last but not least a picture of the third car that allso came to Holland in 1966 but stayed in the Broadspeed colours and was raced by mr. Hildebrand;

The no 57 is BOP 242C no59 is COE????56 is a John Aley team car the white car behind thatone is BOP243C.

@YMJ
Recearch, thats all.

Jack

Jack of all trades wrote:

Jack

thats a great picture