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I may have put a cheeky bid on

A great rarity, such a tidy early van. It'll attract a lot of attention. I expect he's looking for a high price.
I noticed the "Broadspeed" sticker in the rear window and wondered whether he'd acquired the van from the same source as his infamous early Cooper S

steve1071 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:56 am

Exminiman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:13 am Nice Moke, ideal for a 970, wish I had a spare £32K https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255755553724 ... ondition=4

PS guessing this someone on here ?

Think that’s ‘kit of bits’ old Moke. Lovely car….

Yep I built it, it scared me .. prefer it with the 883’s.. it would cost you more than £32k to build it at today’s prices..

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304667665722

Accurately described.

DJB 93B

Can't be any clearer than this!

This lot will be auctioned via Silverstone Auctions, The NEC Classic Motor Show Sale 2022 on Saturday the 12th of November - Sunday the 13th of November, NEC, Birmingham, B40 1NT. , Unlikely though it may have seemed to anyone viewing an 848cc-engined 'Mini Seven' in 1959, when John Cooper got hold of it a few years later the resulting 'Mini Cooper' became the most successful works rally car of the 1960s. The Mini Cooper family's ultimate expression - the 1,275cc 'S' - won first time out in 1964 and became the works' frontline car from 1965 onwards, winning eight international rallies outright that same year, an amazing achievement.According to the British Motor Industry Heritage Trust, this now Morris-badged (though originally Austin) Mini Cooper 1,275S, 'CA2S7/662044', was built at Longbridge on 26th November 1964 prior to despatch on 2nd December to the MG Car Company at Abingdon where, like most BMC factory competition cars, it was issued with a Berkshire registration, in this case 'DJB 93B'. Following subsequent preparation by the Abingdon-based Competitions Department, initially as an Austin for export market reasons, it took part in the 1965 Swedish and Acropolis Rallies before finishing 13th in class on the Alpine and (as a Morris) winning the RAC Rally of GB in the legendary Rauno Aaltonen's hands.Having been driven to victory by Tony Fall on the Scottish Rally the following season, 'DJB 93B' rolled into retirement from Abingdon Competitions Department service during the 1966 Gulf London Rally and was not seen again until 1986. By 1991, ownership had transferred from clubman Jeff Wilson to Mini Machine of Darlington, from whom the project was taken on in 1996 by the highly respected and very successful Works Rally co-driver and subsequent World Rally Team Manager (Toyota, Mitsubishi etc) Phil Short, who commissioned a total restoration to original 'Works' specification.A correct and fully restored Mk1 body shell was employed, though with double-skinned exhaust tunnel, floor under driver's feet and cross-member, strengthened bulkhead steady bar bracket, steering rack mounts and rear shocker mounts all being to Abingdon specification. Although run initially in hydrolastic form, like most works Minis of the day, the car was given 'dry' suspension in period and is in this form today. Parts were sourced by marque specialist John Kelly while Simon Wheatcroft's workshop was responsible for the detailed build.The engine incorporates a 1,275S thick-flange block, linered and bored out +0.020" to 1,293cc; Omega dished pistons; Farndon cross-drilled crank in EN40B steel; fully machined conrods in EN24V; Downton No. 2 cam; and 12G940 cylinder head fed by twin SU H4 carburettors. Engine builder Bryan Slark, formerly with Downton, achieved a dynamometer reading of 117bhp at 7,000rpm and 1071b/ft torque at 5,000rpm. The transmission specification includes a 22G333 gearbox casing, straight-cut close-ratio pinions, straight-cut drop gears, 4.3:1 final drive and Quaife Torsen-type limited-slip differential. Following installation in the car, the rolling road showed 96bhp at 7,250rpm and 811b/ft at 4,250rpm. The engine is said to be extremely flexible from 3,000rpm and eager to rev to 8,000rpm at which point it sounds wonderful!As the early BMC roll-bar with single rear stay no longer complies with FIA/MSA safety requirements, a Safety Devices bolt-in full cage with easily removable front hoop was chosen. 1964 glass windows have been used, while the heated screen and all trim, as well as the Springalex-type steering wheel, air horns and internally mounted electric washers, are exactly as used on the 1965 RAC. The seats are exact replicas of the originals: the driver's a bucket-type with tubular frame, the co-driver's reclining. The works dash and well-equipped navigator's department are Abingdon-correct, while the Willans harnesses and FIA cut-out switch are compliant with current regulations.The electrics are authentic, having been wired by Stan Chalmers who, with John Smith of Lucas, used to wire-up all the factory cars. There are five extra Lucas lamps with quick-release brackets and a swivelling roof light with Aaltonen anti-glare scoop. Under-body protection is provided by a 'Scottish' sump guard with optional extension guard and battery skid. The wheels, six of them, are genuine magnesium Minilites shod with Yokohama A008 tyres: five new, one used. Roof and body, as well as engine and transmission, paint colours are all authentic. For display purposes, there is a December '65 tax disc.A most impressive history file contains signed and dated BMIHT Heritage Certificates pre- and post-rebuild confirming manufacturing, registration and competition history; Abingdon 'Build Sheets' for 1964 RAC Rally; BMC Homologation Forms from period; FIA Historic Vehicle Identity Form; current MSA Competition Car Logbook; MoT Test Certificates 1986-July 2007; two folders of original invoices; and current Swansea V5C registration

Not too hot on punctuation though!

Sooo, just because I dont know...(choosing words carefully) this is a "restoration" not using the original shell, but some of the original parts and the original reg ?

Phill Short, the guy who paid for it, always called it a recreation.

I think it is fair to say that no original parts were used in it's construction.

Or to be more accurate "A replica" with an original works number plate. Which to be fair is reflected in the price..still expensive though..to my mind.
One of the real serviving Works cars would fetch much more than this I believe.

As a "Recreation" its certainly a nice car, looks pretty accurate to my very untrained eye, could be some real fun to drive.

£100K seems wildly optimistic though..........

EDIT £110K

It has sold for that &, I believe more previously.

Does Christian Horner have a works car in his collection yet, maybe it will end up there.

surfblue63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:37 pm Does Christian Horner have a works car in his collection yet, maybe it will end up there.

I say this every time something like this comes up....... step forward celebrity chef, pocket money for the likes of you

surfblue63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:37 pm Does Christian Horner have a works car in his collection yet, maybe it will end up there.

He’s been stung enough to steer clear of Minis for a while I think , especially that one! . £110k for a replica of a works Mini seems ridiculous to me but what do we know. A good pal of mine sold a very very good one for half that only a few years back. The number plate (which it should never have been issued with) must count for 50% of its value. Who says crime doesn’t pay?

It’s a very nice car, built from some rare, select parts, with an interesting modern history……and always amazing to see a Works registration…..I’d love to own it, but people need to understand what it really is…and not be misled.
This applies to many historic registrations. When I look at the many re- shelled ex works cars I wonder…..what is the origin of the shell ( car ) ?

To put things in perspective….. a friend of mine has recently restored a 66 mini 850. It has been in his family ownership from new. He had to re- shell it as it was so rotten and sourced a shell from eBay or somewhere online. Thousands of pounds later he has the restored / recreated family car that he wants. Some later research proved by the intact body number that the replacement shell is an ex works discarded shell with significant important history. He loves his family 850 and doesn’t want this information to be made public as it may detract from his car’s originality.

That’s the whole problem isn’t it...

Nothing can detract from his cars originality. Its gone; it doesn’t have any.

He has a nice car but its the fake story he really values... Being caught in the lie is his real fear.

Isn’t the truth much better... a long discarded Works car, with its history, combined with components, with their own cherished family history, to produce a modern survivor....

Cheers, Ian

spoon.450 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:19 pm To put things in perspective….. a friend of mine has recently restored a 66 mini 850. It has been in his family ownership from new. He had to re- shell it as it was so rotten and sourced a shell from eBay or somewhere online. Thousands of pounds later he has the restored / recreated family car that he wants. Some later research proved by the intact body number that the replacement shell is an ex works discarded shell with significant important history. He loves his family 850 and doesn’t want this information to be made public as it may detract from his car’s originality.

I'd rather have the story of the Works car because there's nothing original about the 850 he had to replace.

It's all down to how you interpret the following terms

Original, a car that has not been restored, but may have had some repair during its lifetime. It comes with a traceable history. These cars can have period modifications and may not be totally as they came from the factory.
Restored, a car that has been restored using a combination of original and replacements parts. This may also have a traceable history. This can be restored to original factory specification, but is not original in the true sense of the definition.
Replica, a car that has been modified to look like a historically significant car.
Re-creation, a car that has been built up from mostly new parts to make a lost car, usually built from a car that was found in a kitchen draw.

TECH396 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:37 pm

spoon.450 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:19 pm To put things in perspective….. a friend of mine has recently restored a 66 mini 850. It has been in his family ownership from new. He had to re- shell it as it was so rotten and sourced a shell from eBay or somewhere online. Thousands of pounds later he has the restored / recreated family car that he wants. Some later research proved by the intact body number that the replacement shell is an ex works discarded shell with significant important history. He loves his family 850 and doesn’t want this information to be made public as it may detract from his car’s originality.

I'd rather have the story of the Works car because there's nothing original about the 850 he had to replace.

I agree…….but not sure that’s everyone’s take on it.

1978 Mini with a Catalytic Converter.
If you know your Mini production changes then I say no more…….
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155219066785 ... SwGMti9qUc