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Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:35 pm
by Mini-geek
Has the John cooper connect been verified because the sales stuff certainly make out it was driver regularly by him as back by Mike cooper.. last I saw he was saying this is not correct..
I find I hard to believe brewer saw the reg and instantly remembered the car from a picture that wasn't previously seen much..
It ended up sending for £54k
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:27 am
by Exminiman
Pete wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:08 pm
Exminiman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:42 pm
Do you know what the MK1 went for ?
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About £9k inc fees which if it was indeed an S chassis number was a good buy! Even with a Cooper chassis number it was worth a punt with the S lump in it. The blue Mk2 Cooper went for £15k which was also a decent buy. Contrast that with the £48k plus fees that Brewer’s tidy-ish ‘67 Mk1 S fetched at the NEC. That’s £38k for the car and £10k for John Cooper’s palm print on the roof.
Brewer changed his plea on the podium at the NEC to ‘owned by John Cooper Garages” but the auctioneer stuck with the “regularly used by John Cooper for two years” bollocks which the winning bidder clearly believed!
Thanks, £9K all in, is not too bad.
Lets hope whoever bought Brewer’s S , bought it for the the Brewer connection more than the John Cooper connection, or as an investment , they wont see that £48 K again
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:38 am
by steve1071
Exminiman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:42 pm
Do you know what the MK1 went for ?
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The £8250 top bid plus fees was ‘very provisional’ and as it only got to Mathewsons last week very few people have seen it. If it is an S I expect it to be in next months sale.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:39 am
by woodypup59
Theres another Mk2 Cooper at H & H Duxford this Wednesday.
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/lot ... 8&pn=1&g=1
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:55 am
by surfblue63
One for fans of 1980's excess, a Tickford Metro with an interesting history at H&H. However, is it worth £40,000?
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/lot ... 8&pn=2&g=1
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Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:21 am
by mk1
That's horrid.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:58 pm
by Old English White
"Only 26 were built"
I'm surprised there was a market even for that many
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:40 pm
by 66Traveller
Must have looked horrible even when it was new...
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:10 pm
by surfblue63
Just got bid to £15,000. Why do Mk2 Coopers not get near Mk1 bids?
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:26 pm
by mk1
surfblue63 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:10 pm
Just got bid to £15,000. Why do Mk2 Coopers not get near Mk1 bids?
Easy, just because the design is that little bit different from the original. Arguably a better car, but not THE original Cooper S.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:34 pm
by surfblue63
But a Mk1 Cooper would probably have got to £25,000. I did notice that the Mk2 has lost it's hydro, so not totally original spec, but still. And then there's the way 1275GTs have gone, but the MK2 is still not going into the £20k bracket unless it is an exceptional example.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:37 pm
by Bitsilly
https://stock.morrisleslie.com/stock/de ... erence_asc
Regarding that Cooper s I just spoke to the auctioneer. It is an 850 shell, the paperwork says it is Austin but it is badged Morris and it doesn’t run, they don’t know why. Also as it says in the description, it has the fe number as the chassis number. Finally the chassis number is Morris.
I was considering bidding. If anyone else is I suggest they ring up for a chat, the guy was completely up front and honest.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:38 pm
by mk1
I reckon ALL prices are softening at the moment. A car has to be really exceptional to make really serious money.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:40 pm
by surfblue63
Well it only got to £28,000, even at that I think it is too much.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:43 pm
by Pete
surfblue63 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:34 pm
But a Mk1 Cooper would probably have got to £25,000. I did notice that the Mk2 has lost it's hydro, so not totally original spec, but still. And then there's the way 1275GTs have gone, but the MK2 is still not going into the £20k bracket unless it is an exceptional example.
I think Mk2 998 Coopers tend to be cheaper than Mk1s because they not only share a pretty ordinary engine but also feature a pretty plain interior. Bottom rung for Cooper ownership I think. A tastefully modded Mk1 850 would easily fetch the same money if not more!
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:45 am
by Exminiman
Pete wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:43 pm
surfblue63 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:34 pm
But a Mk1 Cooper would probably have got to £25,000. I did notice that the Mk2 has lost it's hydro, so not totally original spec, but still. And then there's the way 1275GTs have gone, but the MK2 is still not going into the £20k bracket unless it is an exceptional example.
A tastefully modded Mk1 850 would easily fetch the same money if not more!
Definitely something about a modded 850 that is special, especially if it has been modded a while and has a patina... maybe its just brings back youthful memories ?
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:49 am
by snoopy64
Even though I’m a MK2 owner and proud to be so, I agree with Pete that MK1 are just seen to be more desirable, unfortunately some MK2 parts are as rare as glass washer bottles.. just not as expensive
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:38 am
by woodypup59
The auction houses are getting greedy too. The H&H auction at Duxford charged 5% sellers fee, and 12.5% buyers fees - both plus VAT.
If you had bought that Copper for £15k, the fees would add on nearly another £3k.
Looking at the results, that Mk2 Cooper was one of the cars that did not ultimately sell. I did notice that many didn't reach the estimate / reserve but subsequently sold, so a few deals were done after the hammer.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:52 am
by surfblue63
I watched a bit of the sale live and noticed that most of the estimates were below the reserve price, with many lots reaching the lower estimate but still being sold provisionally. Only when a lot reached the higher estimate was it sold on the hammer.
And auction houses of all types have become more and more greedy, most non-automotive houses charging 20% or more, plus VAT, to buyers.
Re: At The Auctions
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:58 am
by 66Traveller
woodypup59 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:38 am
The auction houses are getting greedy too. The H&H auction at Duxford charged 5% sellers fee, and 12.5% buyers fees - both plus VAT.
If you had bought that Copper for £15k, the fees would add on nearly another £3k.
Looking at the results, that Mk2 Cooper was one of the cars that did not ultimately sell. I did notice that many didn't reach the estimate / reserve but subsequently sold, so a few deals were done after the hammer.
The Mk2 was a nice car (despite no hydro and wrong speedo) - its just who is going to pay £18K
plus buyer's commission ? I suspect the £15K top bid factored this in...
Brewer changed his plea on the podium at the NEC to ‘owned by John Cooper Garages” but the auctioneer stuck with the “regularly used by John Cooper for two years” bollocks which the winning bidder clearly believed!