Just joined as I was told to from Surrey new Mini forum. I always do as I'm told... and I sometimes tell little lies
I'm Norman Verona and my much better half is known as HM
Anyway, we live in France, were both born in the East End of London, moved from Chigwell to Sheffield in 1990. We retired to France (Loire Valley) in 2005.
All very interesting but boring.
The reason you all interest me was that in 1961 at the tender age of 15 I joined University Motors as an apprentice. I was one of the founder members of the MINI Bay. In those days mechanics hated working on minis as there was so little room under the bonnet. Look under the bonnet of, say, an Austin A60 and you'll see what I mean.
The bay was a fantastic success. We quickly became real experts in all things mini. The factory mechanics would ring us sometimes with some query, mostly had we figured out a quicker way of doing a particular awkward job.
We had, but weren't telling. For example the early mini had a a black crankshaft seal which sealed the oil from the clutch idler gear. A phosphor bronze bush was introduced which had an orange seal. The small hole in the crankshaft had to have a tapered pin driven in to stop the oil feed. A special tool and cut the sharp end of the pin and it could be fitted with a special pair of long nosed pliers a long chisel and a sharp whack with a hammer. Time taken, hour and half, time allowed 9.5 hours for taking the engine out and end cover off. I could change a clutch in less that an hour. I think the time allowed was about 3 hours.
But the best job was gearbox overhauls. Early boxes had brass synchro rings and these were useless. Steel rings were introduced and we had a steady queue of cars with boxes to overhaul. If I remember correctly we were allowed 17.5 hours. We could do one and a half a day! No special tools or tricks just practice and doing them all day, every day. It was a bit boring so we shared it round a bit, rather than one of us bearing all the boring bits.
The four of us were Jimmy White, Peter Styner, Wally - Jim's brother-in-law and me, Norman Verona.
Great days, I'll never forget. Just for the record we pooled the bonus with the other 3 taking 2 shares leaving me, the boy, with one share. In the 1960's a good wage for a London mechanic was £20 a week. I had stared on £3/3/0 a week (that's £3.15). The bonus scheme was you got paid your attendance hours plus the hours you had recorded on time allowed. Even though the rate slid as the hours increased (to stop skimping jobs) I was still taking home £60 a week. At 17 I bought a brand new Red Mini (ALE477B). As a beer drinker and the price paid (with 10% discount) was £477 I'm not going to forget that.
OK, I'll just pop in and set up my profile. Speak later.
hello from a roast beef in frogland.
-
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Sun May 11, 2014 4:48 pm
- Location: Loire Valley France
- Contact:
-
- Site Admin
- Posts: 19843
- Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:30 am
- Location: Away with the Faries
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
Re: hello from a roast beef in frogland.
Hi Frenchblatter,
I'm glad you got your log in issues sorted OK & I look forward to reading your posts.
.
I'm glad you got your log in issues sorted OK & I look forward to reading your posts.
.
-
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Sun May 11, 2014 4:48 pm
- Location: Loire Valley France
- Contact:
Re: hello from a roast beef in frogland.
Morning Mark, yep, it helps to read the screen. I was retyping the answer to the firts question without looking to see the question had changed.
I had an Elan Sprint, 1973 (L reg) it was a hardtop. idea being the 7 for the dry and Elan for the wet. Sold it when we moved here. Brought the Seven and an Elise. Elise now sold and Midget (1973 1275cc RWA) in it's place. Two of us and 7 cars. Some must go.
If anyone wants a 2004 Honda Civic Type R (piccies on the website, give me a shout.
ed to add I've noticed the J2. When at UM a chap called Chris and I overhauled their M type.
3 more cars to get before I say goodbye.
Citroen 2 CV
Land Rover series I, II or IIA
MG P, J or TC
I'm thinking of selling the Midget (as well as the Honda) and acquiring a P,J or TC project which will keep me off the street for a while.
I had an Elan Sprint, 1973 (L reg) it was a hardtop. idea being the 7 for the dry and Elan for the wet. Sold it when we moved here. Brought the Seven and an Elise. Elise now sold and Midget (1973 1275cc RWA) in it's place. Two of us and 7 cars. Some must go.
If anyone wants a 2004 Honda Civic Type R (piccies on the website, give me a shout.
ed to add I've noticed the J2. When at UM a chap called Chris and I overhauled their M type.
3 more cars to get before I say goodbye.
Citroen 2 CV
Land Rover series I, II or IIA
MG P, J or TC
I'm thinking of selling the Midget (as well as the Honda) and acquiring a P,J or TC project which will keep me off the street for a while.
- minimans
- 1275 Cooper S
- Posts: 1140
- Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:24 am
- Location: Sonoma California
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: hello from a roast beef in frogland.
University motors in Kingston? I'm sure the statute of limitations has run out by now but we used to nick the exchange mini units from the back loading dock to keep up with the racers appetite for lunching engines..................................
-
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Sun May 11, 2014 4:48 pm
- Location: Loire Valley France
- Contact:
Re: hello from a roast beef in frogland.
I was at the original workshop in Shepherds market. It's behind the Aston Showroom (that was) opposite Green Park. Grosvenor square is to the north and the bunny club was around the corner. The market was the centre for the high class girls. The square had a famous fruit stall which all the rich and famous (lots of them in the area) used and when Westminster council tried to stop him trading they were taken to court by the customers. He stayed. Stirling Moss's Steering Wheel Club was on the outside of the market. He was a regular customer as he was given a Cooper S by the factory on it's extensive trial and publicity campaign before launch. He was on first name terms with most of the lads.
The workshop had originally been stabling. It was about 1/4 mile long. It had (still has, I think it's an NCR car park now) 3 floor to floor lifts. 2 were from the basement to first floor, the third was from ground to roof, where the new car stock was kept. (About 100 cars!
Anyway, a stock order had been unloaded and they had left a wooden packing case by the centre lift (parts were in the basement, all the stock had to be moved down one floor). This case had a complete power unit. Engine and gearbox. No ancillaries or carbs etc, no gear lever extension.
I noticed it and looked up the part number (books in those days, this even before fiche). It was described as a 970 cc mini power unit.
I moved it on to the lift early one morning (I was normally first in). It went up and down all week. Then I moved it into the workshop, the lift gates were next to my work bay.
Following Saturday it went into my car. I had "acquired" the gear lever extension, a set of carbs and a few other bits that would be needed. Everything else came of my engine.
I only had the car for a year, that nice Policeman who prosecuted me for dangerous driving for doing 60 along the Bow dual carriageway got me a 6 month ban. Sold the car to a dealer and never said anything about the engine swap. He wanted bog standard cars to knock out cheap. It had about 56,000 miles on it. (in one year).
The workshop had originally been stabling. It was about 1/4 mile long. It had (still has, I think it's an NCR car park now) 3 floor to floor lifts. 2 were from the basement to first floor, the third was from ground to roof, where the new car stock was kept. (About 100 cars!
Anyway, a stock order had been unloaded and they had left a wooden packing case by the centre lift (parts were in the basement, all the stock had to be moved down one floor). This case had a complete power unit. Engine and gearbox. No ancillaries or carbs etc, no gear lever extension.
I noticed it and looked up the part number (books in those days, this even before fiche). It was described as a 970 cc mini power unit.
I moved it on to the lift early one morning (I was normally first in). It went up and down all week. Then I moved it into the workshop, the lift gates were next to my work bay.
Following Saturday it went into my car. I had "acquired" the gear lever extension, a set of carbs and a few other bits that would be needed. Everything else came of my engine.
I only had the car for a year, that nice Policeman who prosecuted me for dangerous driving for doing 60 along the Bow dual carriageway got me a 6 month ban. Sold the car to a dealer and never said anything about the engine swap. He wanted bog standard cars to knock out cheap. It had about 56,000 miles on it. (in one year).
- mab01uk
- 1275 Cooper S
- Posts: 8274
- Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:08 pm
- Location: S.E. England
- Has thanked: 107 times
- Been thanked: 76 times
Re: hello from a roast beef in frogland.
Hi Norman, glad to see you made it over to the Mk1 forum for sharing some of your early Mini memories and great stories!
I will repeat some of what I said to you on the Surrey New MINI forum about University Motors in Epsom, Surrey as it might perhaps jog some memories here.
I used to buy all my classic Mini parts from UM Epsom back in the 1970's. They also had a special BMC/BL Special Tuning counter where you could buy or dream about the goodies you would like to bolt on your Mini and Peter Beadle the Parts Manager could recall most part numbers straight from memory without even looking at the parts books or later microfiche's! (and he owned a white 'Cooper S' tuned Mini Pickup)
In those days there was a long queue at the spares counter every Saturday morning because so many people still DIY fixed, modified and serviced their own cars at the weekend!
Does anyone else remember Peter Beadle?
I found this info on a quick internet search:
There is a photo of Peter Beadle at University Motors in 1978 here:
http://www.v8register.net/subpages/V825 ... plate2.htm
"Peter Beadle was parts manager at the BL/MG distributor University Motors in Epsom back in the seventies and in October 1978 was a founding member of the MG V8 Register. He then went on to be a member of the team which created the legendary MG parts supplier, the Sprite and Midget Centre in Richmond, that later became Moss Europe."
http://www.v8register.net/subpages/V8NOTE300b.htm
I will repeat some of what I said to you on the Surrey New MINI forum about University Motors in Epsom, Surrey as it might perhaps jog some memories here.
I used to buy all my classic Mini parts from UM Epsom back in the 1970's. They also had a special BMC/BL Special Tuning counter where you could buy or dream about the goodies you would like to bolt on your Mini and Peter Beadle the Parts Manager could recall most part numbers straight from memory without even looking at the parts books or later microfiche's! (and he owned a white 'Cooper S' tuned Mini Pickup)
In those days there was a long queue at the spares counter every Saturday morning because so many people still DIY fixed, modified and serviced their own cars at the weekend!
Does anyone else remember Peter Beadle?
I found this info on a quick internet search:
There is a photo of Peter Beadle at University Motors in 1978 here:
http://www.v8register.net/subpages/V825 ... plate2.htm
"Peter Beadle was parts manager at the BL/MG distributor University Motors in Epsom back in the seventies and in October 1978 was a founding member of the MG V8 Register. He then went on to be a member of the team which created the legendary MG parts supplier, the Sprite and Midget Centre in Richmond, that later became Moss Europe."
http://www.v8register.net/subpages/V8NOTE300b.htm