4 wheel drive

[251 ENG]

Thats a fantastic bit of kit you have there , what a super project

I have seen a 4WD box that looked like a magic wand 850 box , except it had a UJ coming out of the back of the diff housing . Any idea what that was off ( moke ?)

[4XMOKE]

Where and when did you see that box? That was most definately an English moke 4x4 box and much rarer than mine! I'd be more than interested to see it or any pictures of it.

[Tim]

Thanks so much for posting them up. Its absolutely fascinating. I dream of owning an Ant one day.

I'll send a PM to spider through the Moke forum. He's currently driving his Moke from South Australia to the most Northern tip of Australia (kind of an Aussie LE JOG, but 4 x as far and with crocodiles).

Tim

[4XMOKE]

More pics to come chaps! those were scanned ones i took ten years ago.
I've had these bits kicking around for too long now, i've got to get on and marry the running gear upto the Moke, which is no mean feat trust me.
Over the weekend i went for a rummage around my stores and popped back out with a whole pallet full of parts, that's just running gear. Body shell is next once i've made a dedicated moke building booth. Would be nice to have something together for IMM 2014.
Will continue to load pics as parts come off the pallet

[4XMOKE]

251 Eng
It depends on how much you're prepared to pay !

[251 ENG]

[4XMOKE]

you could always build a twin cylinder twinni............ !
Disappointing performance twice over

[wantafaster1]

I remember Jonspeed advertising a couple of moke boxes in the 90s, but i didn't have the 300 quid....

[Vegard]

A different approach

http://www.mokesinc.org/index.php/topic,8716.0.html

[4XMOKE]

thanks for that Vegard, interesting to see who else is doing what else. I'm all for sharing info on these projects.
Fabulous work by Spider, credit to you, the men of The Austin would have been proud of you.

[251 ENG]

Any new pictures ?

[ivor badger]

Just to clear up a few points. The pot joint system cannot be off the original 4x4 Clubman as they were not a production iten in early 71 when the car was built. The story I gave on the build of the car came from Jeff Willaimson personally the day after its first appearance at Lydden. I used to mechanic for a friend with others at rallycrosses at that time, but we all refused to go to Lydden as it was too far. I was passing his garage in east retford on the monday evening for other reasons and dropped in to ask how my friend had got on. We will draw a viel over his trip to Lydden.

The 4x4 system definately came from a moke that was at Abingdon and that's why it was easy for ST to get it after the word came down from Stokes that he wanted something done about the 4x4 crapis. Now why the moke ended up in Abingdon doing what it did, I have no idea other than ST got it to try to see how it worked and it ended up as a handy tool for the end of the production line.

[4XMOKE]

More Ant box pics.
This is the box I shall use in the moke. It is a pre production box taken from one of the twenty four pre production prototypes as per the one at BMIHT Gaydon. It has technical improvements over the other box which was one of the developement boxes, I presume the first one.

[4XMOKE]

And a few more...........

[4XMOKE]

Does anyone know how BMC assigned letter and number codes to their casting numbers?
The following are from the developement box and differ from those of the pre production box posted previously.

[Spider]

WOW!!!!

First, thanks tim for bringing this thread to my attention (again!!). I've just come back from a 10000 km trip through some remote and very remote areas, all in the (2WD) Moke of course.

But back to this task at hand.

Man what a score on those Ant boxes. These wonderful stillborns have had me intrigued for years now and seeing how they did the business end of them is really ingenious and fascinating. It is really sad though that we never got them as a production vehicle.

I really like the way they did the hi and lo range, I have something similar in mind for my own Moke gearbox, but, not wanting to sound critical, I do have to raise my eyebrows are what the losses must be with the Ant Geartrain, also, I'd be a little concerned about the input pinion gear, it may well be OK, but being the size and wall thickness that they are, they are renown for fatigue and failure.

None the less, a champion project. I for one definitely do look on here with GREAT interest, keep us the Stirling work guys

[4XMOKE]

I too am rather concerned about the potential of mechanical failure........ reason one is that parts of the geartrain and parts of the casing are not overly robust. Reason two is that the majority of these were built with 1100 engines, although I know they did try them with 1275s too. Reason three is that way back in the sixties driving everywhere at 45 to 50 mph might have been satisfactory but would be painfully inadequate these days. Resultantly the plan is to at least put a mildly tuned 1275 onto it in an effort to overcome the drag and weight penalties of this system. Reason four is that whilst i want the moke to remain as A series related as i can (there have been plenty of Suzuki or Subaru 4x4 mokes/minis and mine is not of that vein) I also want to keep the moke shell looking as standard as possible, and as the engine is tilted back about the crank by 15 degrees this leaves absolutely no room for a carburettor on a five port head. I certainly don't need or want to create large horsepower figures, but, as I'll have plenty of room in front of the engine, it makes sense to use a seven or eight port head provided it doesn't produce torque levels destined to screw the guts out of the box. I'm not too concerned about the pinion as with the reduction in the transfer box the torque is created further back in the drivetrain, that said, I'd like to change away from the three syncro cluster as that lay shaft just isn't man enough! The other downside is the design of the front diff, low gear is integeral to the spiral bevel for the propshaft drive, so that can't be changed easily or cheaply, high gear is integeral to the diff cage! Thanks Alex, now I'm stuck with one set of ratios !!!!!!!!!! Unless.......... knowing how standard diffs have self destruction tendencies, and a stitch in time often saves nine, I could sell a kidney and remanufacture front and rear diffs with bolt on crown wheels and Torsen diffs. That would actually be simple enough on the rear diff, it's the front end that would cost dearly.
In conclusion, if anyone wins the lottery, I'm clearly a charitable case worthy of vast donation! Thanks in advance, just awaiting your cheque........
Still waiting

[4XMOKE]

BTW Spider, you seem to be lacking in pictoral posts of your trip! Or have you posted elsewhere?

[Tim]

Spider and his fellow travelers did a great job of the live updates from their trip. Its all on the Australian Moke forum here.

http://www.mokesinc.org/index.php/topic,9337.0.html

Tim

[4XMOKE]

Cheers Tim, off for a squint now............