Mini Radford De Ville comes back to life
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Parallel to the challenges of the interior, there are of course also "normal" restoration activities. Since both doors were missing on the Radford, I didn't have any hinges. I managed to find a used set, but this had to be overhauled first.
I started by stripping the paint and rust. The hinge pins were of course worn out.
Don't be fooled here. Even hinges that appear to have no play in the hand but feel rather smooth-running usually have play when installed. They should therefore be rather stiff without this being caused by rust. Once the hinges have been painted and fitted, it is particularly annoying if you only then notice play in the hinge.
So I knocked out the hinge bolts and pressed out the bush with a suitable bolt. With a slightly smaller bolt, that fits exactly into the bushing, the new bushing can be pulled in.
I started by stripping the paint and rust. The hinge pins were of course worn out.
Don't be fooled here. Even hinges that appear to have no play in the hand but feel rather smooth-running usually have play when installed. They should therefore be rather stiff without this being caused by rust. Once the hinges have been painted and fitted, it is particularly annoying if you only then notice play in the hinge.
So I knocked out the hinge bolts and pressed out the bush with a suitable bolt. With a slightly smaller bolt, that fits exactly into the bushing, the new bushing can be pulled in.
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Now you can drive the new hinge pin back into the assembled hinge. It is important to be sure which side of the hinge will be on top later, so that the toothed or knurled and chamfered end of the pin is not in the visible area later.
With old hinges, however, it can happen that the holes in the short hinge part are worn out. The hinge pin then rotates in the hinge piece instead in its bushing. This was also the case with my hinges. The unwanted movement can be avoided with a small spot weld that goes from the hinge part to the pin. This should usually be done by the knurling, but if the hole is already too big, you have to take tougher measures. The welding spot can also be filed smooth afterwards so that nothing is visible after painting.
With old hinges, however, it can happen that the holes in the short hinge part are worn out. The hinge pin then rotates in the hinge piece instead in its bushing. This was also the case with my hinges. The unwanted movement can be avoided with a small spot weld that goes from the hinge part to the pin. This should usually be done by the knurling, but if the hole is already too big, you have to take tougher measures. The welding spot can also be filed smooth afterwards so that nothing is visible after painting.
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I have recently done a technical article about these hinge pins and restoring them Doc. You will have realised that the axis pins and studs/bolts are exactly 90 degrees to each other, but............. The underside, door facing surfaces on the TOP sets are inclined at 107 fdegrees. Making holding them difficult to hold if you have to drill out broken studs or bore oversize axis pin bushes.
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Excellent work as always Doc,I saw your Broadspeed at the IMM in Germany and was in awe of your craftsmanship
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More and more, I have had to switch from my previous approach of reverse restoration to the classic method of primarily dismantling the vehicle and refurbishing the parts in due course. Nevertheless, I am pleased to have already stored numerous parts in an overhauled and completed state.
With the sunroof, it is inevitable that many individual parts can be dismantled together but only refurbished separately. The WHITE sunroof, which is now a good 50 years old, has no significant damage either inside or out. And as it is best cleaned when stretched, I cleaned the outer cover with the help of “Leather Cleaner Stark”, which I had already used successfully.
Apart from a few small tar stains, which I had to tackle separately, the cover turned out to be very good. There is absolutely no need to replace it.
Inside, the sunroof and the covers around it are undamaged apart from a few small blemishes. Cleaning overhead is not particularly tempting. Therefore, only the removal and cleaning will be done later.
The wind deflector was quite easy to clean. I made the chrome fittings shine again directly with Nver Dull.
With the sunroof, it is inevitable that many individual parts can be dismantled together but only refurbished separately. The WHITE sunroof, which is now a good 50 years old, has no significant damage either inside or out. And as it is best cleaned when stretched, I cleaned the outer cover with the help of “Leather Cleaner Stark”, which I had already used successfully.
Apart from a few small tar stains, which I had to tackle separately, the cover turned out to be very good. There is absolutely no need to replace it.
Inside, the sunroof and the covers around it are undamaged apart from a few small blemishes. Cleaning overhead is not particularly tempting. Therefore, only the removal and cleaning will be done later.
The wind deflector was quite easy to clean. I made the chrome fittings shine again directly with Nver Dull.
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That's good fortune that the items have responded to a good clean and there are no rips or stains....
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Removing the sunroof is a constant game of try and error. There are no really useful instructions. The challenge is to somehow understand how the structure and function relate to each other without damaging the sunroof. In the end, my approach was to remove the side rails so that I could also unhook the roof and then access the screw connections at the rear end.
The main difference to newer sunroofs is that the old Webasto Sunroof has a wooden frame that is nailed to the bodywork and numerous trim parts are nailed together and not screwed.
When removed, some handwritten numbers appeared on the components, but these have no recognizable connection. On the inside of the sunroof, RADFORD plus a four-digit number was noted in pencil.
What surprised me was that the sunroof, which had just been installed by Radford, still had a wine-red mist of the paint that Radford had applied. Consequently, the sunroof was installed first and then the vehicle was painted. For me, this is a procedure that makes me shake my head. With a little effort and careful use of thinner, the paint mist could be removed as far as possible.
And to give the eye a little pleasure, I quickly polished up the aluminum rails.
The main difference to newer sunroofs is that the old Webasto Sunroof has a wooden frame that is nailed to the bodywork and numerous trim parts are nailed together and not screwed.
When removed, some handwritten numbers appeared on the components, but these have no recognizable connection. On the inside of the sunroof, RADFORD plus a four-digit number was noted in pencil.
What surprised me was that the sunroof, which had just been installed by Radford, still had a wine-red mist of the paint that Radford had applied. Consequently, the sunroof was installed first and then the vehicle was painted. For me, this is a procedure that makes me shake my head. With a little effort and careful use of thinner, the paint mist could be removed as far as possible.
And to give the eye a little pleasure, I quickly polished up the aluminum rails.
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I put the sunroof in storage for the time being. Next, I turned my attention to the center console. The more I uncovered it, the worse it looked. It had numerous cracks, was broken at the gearshift cut-out, some corners were even missing and it turned out that the console was very badly laminated at the time. There were several places where only the gelcoat had filled the mold. However, the subsequently laminated fiberglass mats did not reach the gelcoat. There was only air between the gelcoat and the GRP. These areas were of course now broken up and very unsightly.
In addition, the center console was covered with a layer of paint or other coating, which was also peeling off. All of this had to be removed first for the refurbishment. I scraped everything free with a scraper and knife. I used the Dremel to mill out and expose all the damaged areas. I also widened all the cracks so that I could fill them up again later.
First, however, the console had to regain its stability. I used a wooden slat to “ brace” the broken area. I then repaired the crack from the back using small GRP strips and epoxy resin. I also stabilized other cracked areas and rebuilt missing areas.
Then I filled the areas where material was missing with GRP filler. This meant that the center console was at least dimensionally stable again as a basis for further refurbishment.
In addition, the center console was covered with a layer of paint or other coating, which was also peeling off. All of this had to be removed first for the refurbishment. I scraped everything free with a scraper and knife. I used the Dremel to mill out and expose all the damaged areas. I also widened all the cracks so that I could fill them up again later.
First, however, the console had to regain its stability. I used a wooden slat to “ brace” the broken area. I then repaired the crack from the back using small GRP strips and epoxy resin. I also stabilized other cracked areas and rebuilt missing areas.
Then I filled the areas where material was missing with GRP filler. This meant that the center console was at least dimensionally stable again as a basis for further refurbishment.
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Very painstaking, but has to be done to get the details right.
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The Doc has shown us that with a bit of skill, you can work wonders. Especially with the old wood framed sunroof. It wouldn't take long to re-manufacture the main wooden frame part from new.
Any woodworkers out there suggest what wood they'd use in the future? Brass screws of course
Any woodworkers out there suggest what wood they'd use in the future? Brass screws of course
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Fortunately, the wooden frame is still in very good condition. Only one or two small cracks need to be reglued. But there's someone not far from me who needs exactly these details from the wooden frame for his sunroof.
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English ash was traditionally used in vehicle framing (and the wood on the sides of Travellers). As I understand, it was selected for its ease of workability, not its durability. A sunroof frame will inevitably be exposed to water, so you want a close grained, durable timber, and ideally one that is easy to work. I'm not familiar with what is readily available in Europe, but something with at least class 2 durability, preferably class 1. Ash is around class 5 - i.e. will rot as soon as you look at it. What do the boat builders use?
In Australia, I'd use one of our native hardwoods, or if weight was an issue, king billy pine. The ultimate would be huon pine, which would probably still be around after we've forgotten what cars were.
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In Australia, I'd use one of our native hardwoods, or if weight was an issue, king billy pine. The ultimate would be huon pine, which would probably still be around after we've forgotten what cars were.
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The question of wood selection does not arise for me. The wood frame for the sliding roof is still in good condition and only needs a few minor repairs.
The GRP filler was naturally very coarse, but in addition to stability it also filled in missing areas well.
Once the GRP filler had been sanded into shape, one or two more coats of fine filler were applied.
For a smooth surface, I continued with a layer of spray primer, which was also sanded again.
Finally, I painted the center console with 2K acrylic paint in silk matt.
The console is now ready for use again. For comparison, it is worth taking a quick look at the starting state of the console above
The GRP filler was naturally very coarse, but in addition to stability it also filled in missing areas well.
Once the GRP filler had been sanded into shape, one or two more coats of fine filler were applied.
For a smooth surface, I continued with a layer of spray primer, which was also sanded again.
Finally, I painted the center console with 2K acrylic paint in silk matt.
The console is now ready for use again. For comparison, it is worth taking a quick look at the starting state of the console above
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hi doc
that is a great result who cares about time with a job well done
cheers roger mcnab
that is a great result who cares about time with a job well done
cheers roger mcnab
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You also have to give the small parts the same attention as the large parts.
In the meantime, I have also turned my attention to the ashtrays. Although I would never use them as a non-smoker and nowadays they are considered outdated, they are a typical feature of the era. The small ashtrays from the side pockets would be easy to replace as they are from the standard mini range. However, the large ashtray from the center console is hard to get for money and good words. It can only be found in an Aston Martin or an old Rover P4 or P5 and is correspondingly rare.
So I set about refurbishing all the ashtrays. As I have already described on occasion, soaking them in white wine vinegar has also served me well here. The vinegar dissolves the rust, which can simply be wiped off after 1-2 days. Some areas may need 2-3 treatments.
In my case, the chrome layer on the large ashtray was already a little more affected in one place, which you can see quite clearly in the photo, but in reality is only noticeable at a certain angle of light. All ashtrays are therefore ready for use again. But if you still have an Aston Martin or Rover ashtray left, please let me know.
In the meantime, I have also turned my attention to the ashtrays. Although I would never use them as a non-smoker and nowadays they are considered outdated, they are a typical feature of the era. The small ashtrays from the side pockets would be easy to replace as they are from the standard mini range. However, the large ashtray from the center console is hard to get for money and good words. It can only be found in an Aston Martin or an old Rover P4 or P5 and is correspondingly rare.
So I set about refurbishing all the ashtrays. As I have already described on occasion, soaking them in white wine vinegar has also served me well here. The vinegar dissolves the rust, which can simply be wiped off after 1-2 days. Some areas may need 2-3 treatments.
In my case, the chrome layer on the large ashtray was already a little more affected in one place, which you can see quite clearly in the photo, but in reality is only noticeable at a certain angle of light. All ashtrays are therefore ready for use again. But if you still have an Aston Martin or Rover ashtray left, please let me know.
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It's time for some technology again. This time it's the turn of the original Lockheed brake servo. In this case, I missed the opportunity to take a before photo of the servo. But I think most people know that anyway. After dismantling, as usual, each individual part had its own turn. I sent the sheet metal parts for galvanising. The possible reuse of a servo always depends on the condition of the body. The Lockheed servo is made of cast iron, as are various other valves in the brake or clutch system. Externally, it's all about removing rust. But what is exciting is how it looks on the inside. Whether the wall in the cylinder bore is still smooth enough to seal after cleaning. To remove the rust, I soaked the body in white wine vinegar again. It is important to make sure that it is only soaked for 2 to max. 4 days. If you leave it in for longer, the acid will also eat away at the casting material. How do I know this... I once placed a servobody in it and forgot about it. After about 4 weeks it was rust-free, but there were no threads left, not to mention the cylinder bore.
Once the sheet metal parts have been freshly galvanised and a new set of seals has been found, reassembly is really fun. The large rubber diaphragm was part of a servo rep kit for a long time. In most cases, however, the old one could still be used, as in my case. Replacing it is difficult, but the actual seals are easier to come by. The large spring from the vacuum chamber is also worth keeping an eye on. It wouldn't be the first time that this has been forgotten and is still hanging around on the workbench after assembly...
Once the sheet metal parts have been freshly galvanised and a new set of seals has been found, reassembly is really fun. The large rubber diaphragm was part of a servo rep kit for a long time. In most cases, however, the old one could still be used, as in my case. Replacing it is difficult, but the actual seals are easier to come by. The large spring from the vacuum chamber is also worth keeping an eye on. It wouldn't be the first time that this has been forgotten and is still hanging around on the workbench after assembly...
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While I'm tinkering around in the engine compartment, there are also other nice parts to be found. The engine was largely complete, but for some reason the carburetor system was missing. However, the intake ducts were properly sealed with oily rags. Fortunately, I was able to fall back on my own stock for the right carburetor system. Although the carburetors selected were from a 1000 Cooper, they were otherwise completely period-correct and suitable for the Cooper S.
So everything was dismantled, inspected and thoroughly cleaned as standard. I like to work with AL80 to get the aluminum parts looking nice again without going too far down the bling-bling route (polishing). This is a cleaning granulate that is dissolved in hot water and the parts are placed in it. An old pot on the gas grill plus a sturdy brush will give you a “clean” result.
Then replace all the worn parts and with new seals, old becomes new again. Nver Dull gave the fuel line a shine and I still had new metal fabric hoses. The heat plate has now also been painted black. The carburetor system is now well protected in a suitable box and can wait to be installed.
So everything was dismantled, inspected and thoroughly cleaned as standard. I like to work with AL80 to get the aluminum parts looking nice again without going too far down the bling-bling route (polishing). This is a cleaning granulate that is dissolved in hot water and the parts are placed in it. An old pot on the gas grill plus a sturdy brush will give you a “clean” result.
Then replace all the worn parts and with new seals, old becomes new again. Nver Dull gave the fuel line a shine and I still had new metal fabric hoses. The heat plate has now also been painted black. The carburetor system is now well protected in a suitable box and can wait to be installed.
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Excellent work on the carbs there Doc, just how I like to see them. I don't understand the blingy carb thing at all either.
Of course I know what a dipstick is, you get called something often enough you look it up!