Roadgoing cars in Hillclimbs

[Exminiman]

There is another topic on the Mini event at Prescott. I suggest you contact the organiser of the event after you have checked out the MSUK "Blue Book 2025" which is now on line and can be downloaded. I think I read that it will be upgraded to include a search facility. At Prescott the run a BOC class for road cars which are taxed & MOtd.
Mini Festival proposed classes from the other topic.

The classes we are proposing:

Class A Roadgoing Mini
Class B Pre ‘69 Roadgoing Mini
Class C Modified Mini
Class D Pre ‘69 Modified Mini (inc racing cars)
Class E Rally Minis
Class F BMW MINIS
Class G Sports Libre (inc space frame and Mini derivatives)


Plus we may permit fun runs if we can don’t fill the entry with competitors

I think the issue is I have read it, or tried to, and there seems to be “ whats in the blue book” and “what actually happens on the ground” and this is dependant on interpretation by who ever is running the event. In a past life I spend a significant proportion of my time reading and working out how comply with regulations and specs, this is just very woolly…..thanks for advice, looks like safest bet is to speak to my club and whoever is running the events.

[Julian Harber]

The summary by David Nutland of road going is a factual guide but as we know the only ulimate definition is down to the Scrutineer - Prescott's Chief Scrutineer is Martin Ford his knowledge of the Blue Book regs is extensive and from my own experience he has always been helpful when I have needed clarification on ambiguous regs. but their focus is on safety and when signing your car off, it is that Scruniteer who is responsible to the MSUK etc at any investigation following an accident,My advice is check Regs. beore entering if in doubt ASK a Scutineer
At prescott from my observations over the years they are not trying to stop people racing, if something can be put right or a moving to another class to comply they will suggest solutions so that car can compete.
This is not true of some venues where I have seen the `them against us' attitude. And Yes Scrutineers do check DVLA records.
I was thrown out of Roadgoing when I started Hillcimbing because I disliked the wind-up windows and had converted to polycarbonate sliding as glass was too small to fit in appeture, however it was a road car with tax (exempt) and Insurance but I still had fun battling against the 16v's of Depper & Jones - I had built the mini for road and it was after my first ever go on a circuit (Mini AD1 ) in 2014 that sparked the idea of Hillclimbing I wasn't upset being put in C1 Class as the Regs. were clear on that and they could have brought up that the winding mech removed in the converstion was also a no-go for a MK3 but over the years it has developed into a C1 class and I could run without a Hanns device due to age of car but I rather use one.

[Mudhen]

Can someone enlighten me on what this means?

"but some have meddled with the speedo aperture to widen it"

Thank you!

(if it has ANYTHING to do with swimming attire I don't mind remaining ignorant, however )

[Matt C]

Thanks, maybe I am over thinking this, but the regs seem so badly drafted they sow doubt, as I understand it I would then need an MS “Passport” for the car instead…..or are they likely to wave this or have I misunderstood it ?

As I understand it, regardless of what class you are in, the car either needs to be run in a road legal condition (mot, tax, insurance) or have an MSUK passport. Therefore if you are moved from road going to modified due to event regulations you should still be OK.

[Pete]

Can someone enlighten me on what this means?

"but some have meddled with the speedo aperture to widen it"

Thank you!

(if it has ANYTHING to do with swimming attire I don't mind remaining ignorant, however )

Common cheat to get the LH trumpet not to foul the bulkhead. First saw this on Class D racers and it was pretty much overlooked,

[Pete]

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I think the issue is I have read it, or tried to, and there seems to be “ whats in the blue book” and “what actually happens on the ground” and this is dependant on interpretation by who ever is running the event. In a past life I spend a significant proportion of my time reading and working out how comply with regulations and specs, this is just very woolly…..thanks for advice, looks like safest bet is to speak to my club and whoever is running the events.
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I think the regs are pretty clear, all I was pointing in my comments really was that the rules are there to be followed but should they not be a scrutineer is likely just to advise , unlikely to stop anybody running and have the prerogative to reclassify your car if they need to. At the level we compete at and type of cars and events I think that’s the right approach. Having said that all scrutineers are different and some are absolute sticklers.