1967 Morris Van
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1967 Morris Van
As I mentioned in the thread about the yellow '71 van, last week I rather unexpectedly found myself buying this, which came up locally with a guy who mainly deals in old Fords, but also does the odd other classic.
Knowing the yellow one was going to be several years until I could get onto it, I decided that sentimentality aside (the '71 was one I owned years ago and always wanted back), I decided this makes more sense - I can use it pretty quickly, I have the engine, box and various other bits I can carry over from the yellow one, and sell it fairly easily (sold this evening to a pal so it will still be around). Financially it also makes a lot more sense, and importantly, if I spent the money on the other one AND it had the sentimental value, I doubt I'd ever be able to sell it, and this way in a few years if I fancy a change, it's going to be easier.
So, it's a Late Mk1 / early Mk2 van, built on 2nd Oct '67, but not dispatched until March '68 via Brittains down in Brighton. It has various Mk2 bits like the indicator stalk, and bonnet badge (unless these have been changed) but was supplied in Willow Green, a Mk1 colour. I don't know much of the history other than it was in Montrose by 2016, by which point it had been restored, but by whom, and when, I don't know. My guess is a home restorer or at least not a mini specialist. It's been done nicely enough, but not exactly 'factory', which is fine - I can enjoy it without it being to onerous to keep on top of something perfect. It's had half floors and the usual bits and pieces and the wrong trim, but again, not a problem.
I bought it in a bit of a rush, but having been under it today I'm pretty pleased with it. It needs a good wire brush and a dose of cavity wax and underseal, a few welds dressed off, and a full service, but all fairly easy. The release bearing is not happy, so I'll do that too. Once that's done, I plan to probably just use it as it is, fairly standard, for this year and maybe next, then build up the engine from the yellow one and stick it in, along with S disks. I'll also fit the Restal rear seat and comfier front seats - I have an Alpine microcell for the passenger side, and lurking somewhere in Forster Towers I have another microcell or Restall (I think! Mark, maybe I can pick it up at Blyton)
Speaking of which - it's been off the road since 2019 we think, so I need to get some miles in with it, but assuming it plays ball and keeps all it's fluids where they are meant to be, I hope to bring it down, quite possibly with the Moulton on the roof rack!
Some photos of it 'as bought' - not going to win prizes, but a nice, usable thing,
Al
Probably the worst bit, apart from the slightly lumpy floors is the area at he base of the rear pillar below the lights which is a bit messy.
Al
Knowing the yellow one was going to be several years until I could get onto it, I decided that sentimentality aside (the '71 was one I owned years ago and always wanted back), I decided this makes more sense - I can use it pretty quickly, I have the engine, box and various other bits I can carry over from the yellow one, and sell it fairly easily (sold this evening to a pal so it will still be around). Financially it also makes a lot more sense, and importantly, if I spent the money on the other one AND it had the sentimental value, I doubt I'd ever be able to sell it, and this way in a few years if I fancy a change, it's going to be easier.
So, it's a Late Mk1 / early Mk2 van, built on 2nd Oct '67, but not dispatched until March '68 via Brittains down in Brighton. It has various Mk2 bits like the indicator stalk, and bonnet badge (unless these have been changed) but was supplied in Willow Green, a Mk1 colour. I don't know much of the history other than it was in Montrose by 2016, by which point it had been restored, but by whom, and when, I don't know. My guess is a home restorer or at least not a mini specialist. It's been done nicely enough, but not exactly 'factory', which is fine - I can enjoy it without it being to onerous to keep on top of something perfect. It's had half floors and the usual bits and pieces and the wrong trim, but again, not a problem.
I bought it in a bit of a rush, but having been under it today I'm pretty pleased with it. It needs a good wire brush and a dose of cavity wax and underseal, a few welds dressed off, and a full service, but all fairly easy. The release bearing is not happy, so I'll do that too. Once that's done, I plan to probably just use it as it is, fairly standard, for this year and maybe next, then build up the engine from the yellow one and stick it in, along with S disks. I'll also fit the Restal rear seat and comfier front seats - I have an Alpine microcell for the passenger side, and lurking somewhere in Forster Towers I have another microcell or Restall (I think! Mark, maybe I can pick it up at Blyton)
Speaking of which - it's been off the road since 2019 we think, so I need to get some miles in with it, but assuming it plays ball and keeps all it's fluids where they are meant to be, I hope to bring it down, quite possibly with the Moulton on the roof rack!
Some photos of it 'as bought' - not going to win prizes, but a nice, usable thing,
Al
Probably the worst bit, apart from the slightly lumpy floors is the area at he base of the rear pillar below the lights which is a bit messy.
Al
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Re: 1967 Austin Van
When you consider what a tough life these little vans generally had, for one to survive in that condition (or at all..) is quite remarkable.
Rare being a Mk2 as well! We used to run Mini vans and pick-ups at work and they were in poor condition within just a few years
Good luck and have fun with it
Rare being a Mk2 as well! We used to run Mini vans and pick-ups at work and they were in poor condition within just a few years
Good luck and have fun with it
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Re: 1967 Austin Van
The SEB had a large fleet of them in that colour. All the gas fitters and their dogs had them. They used to auction them off at the SEB depot in Kidlington.
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Re: 1967 Austin Van
Isn't it just Willow Green - a standard colour at the time for the Van and Pick-up?Peter Laidler wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:43 pm The SEB had a large fleet of them in that colour. All the gas fitters and their dogs had them. They used to auction them off at the SEB depot in Kidlington.
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Re: 1967 Austin Van
Finally got some time on the van today.
Stripped the wok off to swap the clutch release bearing (which was rougher than a badger's arse), but was surprised to see the bearing was a very loose fit of the plunger spigot, and held on by a spring washer. A quick call to Mr Drew to check, and apparently, "some are like that", but he has ones that aren't, in stock, so a wee trip over next week to pick one up and then it can go back together. And a new clutch slave cylinder too, because of course it had seen better days.
All in all, a nice enough day making something that sort of worked, sort of not
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Stripped the wok off to swap the clutch release bearing (which was rougher than a badger's arse), but was surprised to see the bearing was a very loose fit of the plunger spigot, and held on by a spring washer. A quick call to Mr Drew to check, and apparently, "some are like that", but he has ones that aren't, in stock, so a wee trip over next week to pick one up and then it can go back together. And a new clutch slave cylinder too, because of course it had seen better days.
All in all, a nice enough day making something that sort of worked, sort of not
Al
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Re: 1967 Morris Van
I'm pleased to report that, despite me not getting as much time on it as I'd have liked (or I should have made more of an effort to ) I have had a productive few days over the last week.
I had a fairly decent idea of the jobs needing to be done to get it back on the road reliably, and a list of other things to do after that. I am now pretty much through the 'before' jobs, to such an extent that I actually drove it for the first time this evening, all of about half a mile. It didn't break down, so that was a bonus, but it wasn't very happy, needing loads of choke and being even more gutless than you'd expect a standard 850 to be. we set it a bit more rich and immediately it ran a lot better, though still VERY slow. And noisy! Christ, is it noisy!?! I think it'll be getting some dynamat or similar behind the ply lining and planned headlining in the rear, even if it only helps a bit.
So it has had a fairly full service, new distributor, new QH drive couplings, 2 new front brake pipes, a combination gauge fitted so I have a rough idea of what's going on under the bonnet (though the water temp is being temperamental), various wiring anomalies sorted (like the coil being wired -ve earth, but the battery still +ve earth.... There hasn't been anything that has been a major ball ache or an unexpected horror, but it has had a few wee "oh, shit, that's not right, I'd better fix that" moments, like adding an extra exhaust support that takes a fair amount of time to knock up an solution, only to then find the manifold joint preferred it before you messed with it, so has decided to leak, just because it can.
I still have a few things to work through, and whilst I think it might make it to Blyton, I don't know that I am confident enough to do such a long trip without having done any real milage. I'll decide tomorrow, I suppose.
It's great fun though, even if it is slow and noisy
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I had a fairly decent idea of the jobs needing to be done to get it back on the road reliably, and a list of other things to do after that. I am now pretty much through the 'before' jobs, to such an extent that I actually drove it for the first time this evening, all of about half a mile. It didn't break down, so that was a bonus, but it wasn't very happy, needing loads of choke and being even more gutless than you'd expect a standard 850 to be. we set it a bit more rich and immediately it ran a lot better, though still VERY slow. And noisy! Christ, is it noisy!?! I think it'll be getting some dynamat or similar behind the ply lining and planned headlining in the rear, even if it only helps a bit.
So it has had a fairly full service, new distributor, new QH drive couplings, 2 new front brake pipes, a combination gauge fitted so I have a rough idea of what's going on under the bonnet (though the water temp is being temperamental), various wiring anomalies sorted (like the coil being wired -ve earth, but the battery still +ve earth.... There hasn't been anything that has been a major ball ache or an unexpected horror, but it has had a few wee "oh, shit, that's not right, I'd better fix that" moments, like adding an extra exhaust support that takes a fair amount of time to knock up an solution, only to then find the manifold joint preferred it before you messed with it, so has decided to leak, just because it can.
I still have a few things to work through, and whilst I think it might make it to Blyton, I don't know that I am confident enough to do such a long trip without having done any real milage. I'll decide tomorrow, I suppose.
It's great fun though, even if it is slow and noisy
Al
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Re: 1967 Morris Van
As well as wee jobs today like fitting a new fuel pump and actually tightening the top door hinge to stop it flapping loose each time I get in or out, I also took a couple of photos to show what a difference a few hours cleaning can do under the bonnet. It's far from perfect, but much nicer than it was (I will replace the horrid modern master cylinders at some point), and also the alloy version of the card template posted earlier. Unfortunately the water temp gauge is a bit temperamental, so further fiddling needed, I fear.
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Re: 1967 Morris Van
Quite possibly. It was sold as Morris Oxford/ Austin Cambridge, but could well be across other models too.Old English White wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:29 pm If it helps, I think that combined instrument is Wolseley 1500?
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Re: 1967 Morris Van
Can you imagine how annoying it would be if you changed the rubber couplings for lovely new QH ones but only after doing it did you notice that the diff oil seals are banjaxed?
Yup, very annoying. Ah well, another wee job to do.
On the up side, I replaced the chrome screen rubber spreader strip with the correct black stuff and fitted a towing eye, so the to-do list is reducing faster than it's growing, if only on paper, not in hours
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Yup, very annoying. Ah well, another wee job to do.
On the up side, I replaced the chrome screen rubber spreader strip with the correct black stuff and fitted a towing eye, so the to-do list is reducing faster than it's growing, if only on paper, not in hours
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I'm going to be doing the side plate gaskets and the diff output seals (21 & 22 in this exploded diag. https://www.somerfordmini.co.uk/final-d ... fferential ).Peter Laidler wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 7:46 pm You did change the drive end cover bushes at the same time.......yes.....?
Which part do you mean, Peter? do you mean the nut in the middle of the output shaft?
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You got it in one....... What you're doing is what I'm talking about. Is it worth doing the bushes at the same time? I was forgetting that the van has different size bushes and oil seals to the S.
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Good progress has been made this week, and all the 'big' jobs are pretty much done, so it'll be time to start building up the miles and seeing what falls off soon.
I still need to re-seal the exhaust manifold to downpipe joint (I pulled it away from the UJs, but it obviously liked where it was, so that needs looked at to improve the driving experience) and then it's onto the long list of improvements, amongst the first of which is trying to get the rubber door seals to stay on the seams, they just seem to want to drop off the corners constantly. I am pretty sure it's this trim that has been fitted - the right stuff, so I don't want to replace it.
https://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/XGA9934.aspx
Is my best bet to use glue, or I thought a few trim clips might work? both of the above? Any ideas / suggestions / experience based knowledge?
Oh, and as posted in the 'wanted' section, one of the mazak castings in the rear door lock mechanism snapped (and then someone had made it worse by trying to weld it....) so I have made a temporary lash up, but am after either just the seperate casting, or even a complete lock assembly, if anyone has one? I managed to strip and fix the rear handle and lock though, so that was satisfying as it was gummed up solid and the lock didn't work.
Al
I still need to re-seal the exhaust manifold to downpipe joint (I pulled it away from the UJs, but it obviously liked where it was, so that needs looked at to improve the driving experience) and then it's onto the long list of improvements, amongst the first of which is trying to get the rubber door seals to stay on the seams, they just seem to want to drop off the corners constantly. I am pretty sure it's this trim that has been fitted - the right stuff, so I don't want to replace it.
https://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/XGA9934.aspx
Is my best bet to use glue, or I thought a few trim clips might work? both of the above? Any ideas / suggestions / experience based knowledge?
Oh, and as posted in the 'wanted' section, one of the mazak castings in the rear door lock mechanism snapped (and then someone had made it worse by trying to weld it....) so I have made a temporary lash up, but am after either just the seperate casting, or even a complete lock assembly, if anyone has one? I managed to strip and fix the rear handle and lock though, so that was satisfying as it was gummed up solid and the lock didn't work.
Al
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Re: 1967 Morris Van
A very happy day today, I actually drove it home, and it works!
It actually sounds quite sweet, smooth and quiet. One rocker is a bit rattly, but other than that, very nice.
The brakes however seem bit weak. I can't decide if they are bad, or I just need to re acclimatise to drums after my modern, so will put some miles on it and maybe just redo shoes and slaves all round. Who knows how old they all are after all.
Cooling will similarly be one to watch and see, but for the fairly short run home, it's ace. the temp gauge even worked some of the time...
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It actually sounds quite sweet, smooth and quiet. One rocker is a bit rattly, but other than that, very nice.
The brakes however seem bit weak. I can't decide if they are bad, or I just need to re acclimatise to drums after my modern, so will put some miles on it and maybe just redo shoes and slaves all round. Who knows how old they all are after all.
Cooling will similarly be one to watch and see, but for the fairly short run home, it's ace. the temp gauge even worked some of the time...
Al
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Re: 1967 Morris Van
This could be the forum's motto!It's great fun though, even if it is slow and noisy
Nice van.
"Get the wheels in line, Get the wheels in line with it! ..... and then slam your brakes on or we'll be in the cabin ! "
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