It’s looking like 2030 for E-day

[surfblue63]

This will soon be emptied if the journey down the cul-de-sac of electric power is continued



Ever heard the phase, Don't Put All Your Eggs in One Basket.

[mab01uk]

Children paying the price for eco-cars: Congolese miners as young as 11 risk their lives for cobalt that green-tech relies on for £1.50 a day.
"Award-winning photographer Sebastian Meyer reveals pitiful truth of eco cars. He visits Democratic Republic of Congo, home to two-thirds of world's Cobalt. Meagre pay, dangerous conditions and long hours are all part of cruel narrative"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... obalt.html

[JohnA]

Excellent Mab, thanks for posting
Puts things a little more into perspective
The only thing that matters is money, anything else is secondary

[Polarsilver]

Company wants to dig a Hole in Cornwall to mine Lithium .. otherwise UK have to import this stuff to make batteries .
Is that saving the Planet or just creating Jobs.. whatever someone is onto a nice earner.

[MiNiKiN]

Children paying the price for eco-cars: Congolese miners as young as 11 risk their lives for cobalt that green-tech relies on for £1.50 a day.
"Award-winning photographer Sebastian Meyer reveals pitiful truth of eco cars. He visits Democratic Republic of Congo, home to two-thirds of world's Cobalt. Meagre pay, dangerous conditions and long hours are all part of cruel narrative"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... obalt.html

OMG! Do you also complain about the main use of cobalt in phone and laptop batteries, in electronics and alloys? Only a fraction is used in EV batteries.
Cobalt is a by-product of copper and nickel mining - has anyone ever moaned about the child labour in Congolese copper mines - it is not an EV-problem - it is a problem of how the industry generally exploits without ethical requirements.

That's what the Dailymail should write about, but doesn't.

[MiNiKiN]

With regards to the, according to some, ever so promising Hydrogen. Can you explain what the actual advantage of hydrogen over battery powered electric cars is?
The hydrogen is produced (currently mainly from methan [!]) using large amounts of electricity, then it needs to be deep cooled and pressurised for transport, again requiring large amounts of energy, such that once it is in a car it is converted into electricity using a fuel cell (which requires rare metals like platinum) to drive an electric motor at the end .
I hopefully do not need to point out the ridiculousness of this energy waste process with all the in-between losses.

H2 though may be a viable alternative for lorries, trains and cars in remote areas (like for example Australia) and where the electric grid is not well developed (Africa).

[goff]

Well be reading this post about EV vehicles , MiNiKiN is all for it , some of the older boys like me don't give FOOK cos it won't bother us , younger ones will have to live with it and be more skint than ever , POLUTION , sure i read that the UKs contribution is only 2% of whole world , so why is this country so mad on going green , I know ££££££££££££££££ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MONEY , well i got the answer !!! see below only eats grass , cheap cheap there is even a lorry for you Minikin and the last photo is a real mini one horse power !!!! Sure i seen this up at Mark's place amongst is treasures

[Andrew1967]

[Polarsilver]

Goff..
I expect with "TheJab" before Xmas & with the Old Gits to be first in the Q .. there will still be enough years left for either you or me to create a "Works Car" out of that one Horse half of a Mini Shell

[MiNiKiN]

Well be reading this post about EV vehicles , MiNiKiN is all for it , some of the older boys like me don't give FOOK cos it won't bother us , younger ones will have to live with it and be more skint than ever , POLUTION , sure i read that the UKs contribution is only 2% of whole world , so why is this country so mad on going green , I know ££££££££££££££££ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MONEY , well i got the answer !!! see below only eats grass , cheap cheap there is even a lorry for you Minikin and the last photo is a real mini one horse power !!!! Sure i seen this up at Mark's place amongst is treasures

Goff, you haven't got a clue - the vehicles you showed are highly polutant - emiting loads of methan

Personally, I am not a die hard EV advocate, I just prefer to have a more scientific perspective on things, rather than an opinion biased by my own personal favours. Even without scientific approach common sense tells me, that burning 15.6 billion litres of oil every day* and blowing it into the atmosphere cannot be right.
In actual fact a car (or whatever product) generates a large part of pollution in its production phase.
Hence in my view, keeping, preserving, refurbishing and updating stuff is a really green thing. Sadly not compatible with the principles of neoliberal capitalism.

* to help imagination: that equals a fraight train with 260495 average tank wagons with a total length of 3750kms (or 2344mls)

[mab01uk]

Children paying the price for eco-cars: Congolese miners as young as 11 risk their lives for cobalt that green-tech relies on for £1.50 a day.
"Award-winning photographer Sebastian Meyer reveals pitiful truth of eco cars. He visits Democratic Republic of Congo, home to two-thirds of world's Cobalt. Meagre pay, dangerous conditions and long hours are all part of cruel narrative"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... obalt.html

OMG! Do you also complain about the main use of cobalt in phone and laptop batteries, in electronics and alloys? Only a fraction is used in EV batteries.
Cobalt is a by-product of copper and nickel mining - has anyone ever moaned about the child labour in Congolese copper mines - it is not an EV-problem - it is a problem of how the industry generally exploits without ethical requirements.

That's what the Dailymail should write about, but doesn't.

If you read the article it does actually mention the use of colbalt in phone and laptop batteries....if the uptake and increasing interest in EV's draws the general publics attention to the Congolese problem of which millions of EV's battery 'fraction' can only make worse then that is a good thing!

Quote:-
"The DRC, in the heart of Africa, is a country that has long been scarred by deprivation, corruption and communal violence.
But it is also rich in minerals, particularly cobalt, a key component of the lithium-ion batteries that power mobile phones, computers, tablets — and electric cars. Indeed, our digital lives would be impossible without cobalt."

[goff]

Well be reading this post about EV vehicles , MiNiKiN is all for it , some of the older boys like me don't give FOOK cos it won't bother us , younger ones will have to live with it and be more skint than ever , POLUTION , sure i read that the UKs contribution is only 2% of whole world , so why is this country so mad on going green , I know ££££££££££££££££ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MONEY , well i got the answer !!! see below only eats grass , cheap cheap there is even a lorry for you Minikin and the last photo is a real mini one horse power !!!! Sure i seen this up at Mark's place amongst is treasures

Goff, you haven't got a clue - the vehicles you showed are highly polutant - emiting loads of methan

Minikin yes i don't have a clue But the vehicles i showed are DEAD and not highly polutant , I think you mean the Neddy the hos ,Kenny the Donkey and the Moo Moo cow , Sure the vegans wanted all the cows killed off a couple of years ago !!!! blaming them for all the Polution , Great programme on BBC 4 a couple of weeks back called ( Powering Britain ) worth a catch up , Drax power station and wind farms in the north sea , Drax is going wood pellets brought from !!! wait for it , North America !!! , i'll leave you to make up your own mind on that one ££££££££££££££££££ but someone is making plenty of dosh.

The Chinese have BIG fingers in African mines , at the moment i think that the Chinese government owe the rest of the world BIG STYLE .

[AndyPen]

Time to invest I guess...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Dielec ... SwoapfGvPR

yellow boot.jpg

[MiNiKiN]

Barmy, another soon necessary addition to my drivers wardrobe. Already got the suit for when I take a trip in my Mini...

MiNiKiN in his protective ICE drivers suit.jpg

[ads7]

Just seen this. Arrival is UK based and taking an innovative manufacturing approach to EV vans/buses

https://youtu.be/Z_Qyor9Yc-s

[mab01uk]

"Vauxhall is in talks about producing electric vans in Britain after calls from some of the country's biggest fleet operators to speed up their introduction.
The car maker, owned by Peugeot-parent Groupe PSA, is understood to have held discussions about whether the vehicles could be made at its plant in Luton. BT-owned Openreach is attempting to put together a coalition of potential buyers – including Royal Mail and British Gas."
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mar ... 0&ito=1490

[mab01uk]

Citroen launches site to gauge UK demand for Ami city car.
"Electric quadricycle is intended to appeal to urban drivers, and UK boss wants it here, but firm is asking potential buyers to register their interest."
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... i-city-car

[ads7]

Cheaper than a fully enclosed glorified single passenger electric scooter costing £8k in my neck of the woods. The concept has potential and with more similarly quirky offerings these could be viable for urban use

[mk1coopers]

We have 43 EV's in our fleet (mostly Nissans), most are fine, a couple of users have issues with the range with what they do, a company we do business with has just got a Renault EV van, 75 mile winter range only, they are having to swap it to another location as the user lives 35 miles from the Depot so can't do hi job when he gets here !

[ads7]

Ariel Hipercar should have useful trickle down to more general market. Batteries recharged by a micro turbine .. 0-100 in 3.8 secs. Motors on each wheel..really like their approach with this