477 BBL

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by worksminis » 07 May 2017, 19:12

(Browning first edition consistently refers to 477ABL)

November 62 RAC Rally. Morrison/Finlay. New car. Gp 3 (first to show no sign of ever having grille “moustache” side pieces – other contemporary works Coopers still have them when grille upper chrome trim removed). Red/white.

January 63 Monte Carlo Rally. Morrison/Culcheth. Group 3.

February 63 Hankkirally (Finland). Makinen/Carlisle. Group 3.

To Don Moore for Christabel Carlisle race car? Damaged in collision with Harper Rapier at Silverstone (front end + underside, when ended up on top of Rapier's boot). Re-registered with CC personal reg number?

September 63 Tour de France Auto. Aaltonen/Ambrose. Browning says as 1071 S. New car?

January 64 Monte Carlo Rally. Baxter/McMillen. Browning says as 997.




Sold to M. Wood.

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by davidscothorn » 29 May 2017, 17:35

DVLA. NO RECORD HELD

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by Orangebox » 28 May 2017, 23:11

Search under BMC on revs digital. 477 BBL was used as a standard car as course opening car, along with 977ARX on the 62 IOM TT races..!!

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Postby worksminis » 28 May 2017, 23:03

Thanks for that. The question of basic 850 shells came up somewhere else some time ago. They would have had to be Group 3 cars to have been missing any Cooper trim - and this one was Gp3 in all its early lives. I've struggled with the Revs library before but will try again.
It's been at the back of my mind that Makinen might have been lent it after the Hankkirally for Finnish nationals (I wasn't even aware of the Hankki entry until the Carlisle book came out).
Browning has it first registered much earlier in 62 than it's first event listing of the RAC so that ties in with damage on a previous outing - rally or recce. New car for Monte after RAC?

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by Orangebox » 28 May 2017, 20:37

Six photos on the Revs digital archive of BBL being rebuilt into a new shell, dated 1/11/62. Obviously for the 62 RAC as the other BMC RAC cars are in shot. Hence BBL must have competed earlier which isn't documented. Interestingly Mayman did the 63 COI in a works car but rolled heavily, wonder what car that was?

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by Orangebox » 06 May 2017, 22:38

I always thought that BBL was attached to three cars/shells, but a photo on the Revs digital library shows it being rebuilt early in it's life ( reverse light under the bumper), boot lid etc transferred over to a new bare shell. It was then used at Silverstone by Miss Carlisle which is the RAC/Monte car but with 1070 mechanicals but was damaged, also pictured in colour damaged in Abingdon workshop.

Then a new car was built for the TdF , 850 shell, no door chrome, plain red seats and no leather cloth on top dash rail. This car was then used at Bagshot for testing by Paddy for the 63 RAC, he has colour photos of it which I have seen. A new car, again 850 shell was built for the 64 Monte for Raymond Baxter, again with bare painted dash rails, again I have seen the photos. That is 4 cars....

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by worksminis » 06 May 2017, 20:48

We are trying to indicate the difference between building a new car from a standard car (the normal Abingdon process) to carry the same registration and "re-shelling" in the way Escorts etc. were later. Do you have specific information just a shell was used in this case? We also want to confirm wherever possible between which events such changes took place.

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by Orangebox » 06 May 2017, 20:30

Re shelled by Abingdon at least three times. Always ran as a 997, except the Silverstone meeting with Miss Carlisle.

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1962 RAC

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1964 Monte Raymond Baxter wrestles with a jack!

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1963 Hankkirally (Finland). Makinen/Carlisle

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1963 Monte

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by Orangebox » 06 May 2017, 20:30

Re shelled by Abingdon at least three times. Always ran as a 997, except the Silverstone meeting with Miss Carlisle.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/21 ... tain-1962/
Entered as Mini Cooper 998. Is this a mistake, or was there some early experimentation going on with bore and stroke?

I had read somewhere it had been decided against developing the standard engine in favour of the short stroked 1100
or was it a long stroked 848?

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In 1964 Raymond Baxter started the Monte in MInsk (to support Paddy on the road?) and finished the rally to come 2nd in class 2/1 which was won by a Steryr Puch I think. That suggests to me it was in an up to 1000cc class with I believe a 997cc engine modified to Gp 3.

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Wasn’t the photo with the wheel off a practical joke played by the boys on Baxter at the hotel?