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[surfblue63]

Does anyone know this car https://mathewsons.co.uk/auctions/aucti ... orris-mini

I've seen it a Mathewsons a number of times. I think its been in 5 sales and never got to reserve. The buyer is trying to get their build costs back.

[woodypup59]

I've seen that car at Mathewsons. Its highly modified, to some sort of race spec, so to the right person will be perfect.

The seller / Mathewsons just need to find that person.

[surfblue63]

** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

Maybe the vendor and auction house should read these books.

[surfblue63]

I've seen that car at Mathewsons. Its highly modified, to some sort of race spec, so to the right person will be perfect.

The seller / Mathewsons just need to find that person.

But were do you race it? It's not a pre-66 car, it's a MkIV shell so will not get FIA papers. The only pace I can think of is hillclimbs, and at 30-40,000, that's a lot of money.

[minimk1man]

dannymann97 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:56 am
** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

It would be interesting to see if it has the hydrolastic pipe bracketry on the underside of the shell and the corner wheel arch strengtheners in the boot. Also larger holes on bulkhead to acomodate the hydro pipes. That would match well to the larger MK2 rear window.

[roymck]

dannymann97 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:56 am
** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

It would be interesting to see if it has the hydrolastic pipe bracketry on the underside of the shell and the corner wheel arch strengtheners in the boot. Also larger holes on bulkhead to acomodate the hydro pipes. That would match well to the larger MK2 rear window.

Doors don’t fit , could it be front half Mk1 rear half Mk2 and not done very well as the door openings are the wrong size . 6 vents sills covering a join?

[Old English White]

Let's face it. Any decent auction house would be able to contact a marque expert themselves regarding any classic car they have for sale and to confirm (or otherwise) whether a car is genuine or not. The seller/owner of the car is hardly independant is he, so naturally is going to try and claim that his car is "genuine". It plainly isn't - and nobody should be paying this kind of money for such a dubious pile of bits fitted with oversills however pretty it looks.
The seller's reply is just laughable to anyone with some knowledge of these cars.

[nick@dunsdale]

dannymann97 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:56 am
** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

It would be interesting to see if it has the hydrolastic pipe bracketry on the underside of the shell and the corner wheel arch strengtheners in the boot. Also larger holes on bulkhead to acomodate the hydro pipes. That would match well to the larger MK2 rear window.

Doors don’t fit , could it be front half Mk1 rear half Mk2 and not done very well as the door openings are the wrong size . 6 vents sills covering a join?

That crossed my mind as well an old cut shut giving the seller some benefit of doubt, but the even with a newer rear end cut shut and maybe a new front panel fitted at some point, that doesnt account for the holes in the A post

Far to many if's and and's

[David1275]

dannymann97 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:56 am
** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

It would be interesting to see if it has the hydrolastic pipe bracketry on the underside of the shell and the corner wheel arch strengtheners in the boot. Also larger holes on bulkhead to acomodate the hydro pipes. That would match well to the larger MK2 rear window.

I agree with the above and I can't see the wheel arch strengtheners in the boot but notice the front bulkhead is missing the extra nuts for the MK2 speedo cowl (I know these are easily removed though)

If you watch the video there is only a courtesy light switch hole in the drivers A post, passenger a post is fine.

Surely without looking at sun visor holes and cant rails, remote tunnel hole (if there is one)and under car hydro clips it will be difficult tell the difference between a mk2 shell and a mk1 shell built with mk2 rear end and A post fixed years ago when panels weren't as plentiful.

The car certainly looks iffy and becomes iffy with the high sale price but I think alot of us here have seen cars with much more of an identity issues.

[Brynmor]

Does anyone know this car https://mathewsons.co.uk/auctions/aucti ... orris-mini

I've seen it a Mathewsons a number of times. I think its been in 5 sales and never got to reserve. The buyer is trying to get their build costs back.

Indeed I was thinking of it more for rallying, but the lack of a spec is somewhat limiting

[miniminor]

** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

In 2018 having restored this car took it to Brighton Mini Run to try out the car as well to hope to meet Mk 1 club. Two experts looked the car over starting at the engine area as from 1962 the structure had change but was ok .They devoted a lot of time on the guttering as very important on Mk 1 was correct.Next the door aperture was measured also correct.Then the rear window was checked as thought it should have the smaller window, they ran there hands done both sides of the back and asked me to do the same that is only on Mk 1 as owners of Mk 1 will be aware.The glass coding is 1962.
So why has it larger glass-in 1962 the rear narrow window panel had to be reworked slowing production as the tooling needed polishing meaning a month out for the tooling to be worked.If you talk to “Minispares” they will Be able to confirm this .A decision was made to use a stockpile of new larger aperture panels and showed me another owners car which had the same.The boot lid would have different variations as the company were trying to save costs but had “Austin Mini” holes and not a mark 2 as thought by some owners.
The writer is correct in January 1962 the Austin Mini and Mini Minor was dropped and now known as the “MINI” for export reasons but the writer fails to mention that both Austin and Minor continued until mid 1962 when all old bonnets and boots were used up in UK hence why my car has Austin emblems.
History this car was purchase in 1962 confirmed by copy of logbook also showing number transferred by owner in 1970.
This car was driven for some 7 years before having a minor accident taking the car to her friends garage in Cambridge for repair in the meantime she brought a Cortina.
20 years later her friend still had her Mini,Malcolm my friend collected car but with rusty doors and bumpers sold it to Malcolm. He strip car into boxes and started repairs however having re-skinned the doors finding they were too large and gave up.
15 years later purchased Mini in 2017.
The car was sand blasted and to make the doors fit the Body Engineer cut the door skins down the middle and knocked together and welded up no distortion perfect job.
There seems some Mini experts saying it has been reshelled if they had inspected this car they would find its a genuine Mark 1 mini that has not been reshelled and would happy go to Court to prove this.
There was mention of holes on the A frame indicting lights had been fitted I failed to find.
Do they mean the B post that’s seat belt bolts that were never used.
If the buyer looks through the paperwork I supplied the evidence is for all to see as well the costing of renovation .
I am a 74 old man and have all was been upfront with everything I do and would not deceive anybody particularly in this case this car I vouch is genuine Mark 1 and the buyer would be proud to own and will find that proper Mark 1 guys would know the truth that this car that has been off the road for 48 years has been restored to its glory.
I find it sad there are mini owners who think they know it all but Fail to understand the history of such a great car
I Robert Car deem the facts true and would happy to go to court to prove such.

Never heard the story of Mk1s getting wider windows due to pressing tool wear - Im sure this anomaly would have surfaced before now? Is it not more likely that the "minor accident" 7 years later resulted in a new rear panel and bootlid? Nice looking car though but top money for something that just isnt as it appears. Almost identical to our '63 Morris, same colour and A reg suffix but we paid half that price (although it was 8 years ago).

[GraemeC]

I'm curios what cage is in the Mathewsons car - the main hoop is a long way back meaning the rear triangles are very acute and upright.

And wouldn't you think they'd at least move the wipers onto the screen to take the photos and video

[Costafortune]

** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

In 2018 having restored this car took it to Brighton Mini Run to try out the car as well to hope to meet Mk 1 club. Two experts looked the car over starting at the engine area as from 1962 the structure had change but was ok .They devoted a lot of time on the guttering as very important on Mk 1 was correct.Next the door aperture was measured also correct.Then the rear window was checked as thought it should have the smaller window, they ran there hands done both sides of the back and asked me to do the same that is only on Mk 1 as owners of Mk 1 will be aware.The glass coding is 1962.
So why has it larger glass-in 1962 the rear narrow window panel had to be reworked slowing production as the tooling needed polishing meaning a month out for the tooling to be worked.If you talk to “Minispares” they will Be able to confirm this .A decision was made to use a stockpile of new larger aperture panels and showed me another owners car which had the same.The boot lid would have different variations as the company were trying to save costs but had “Austin Mini” holes and not a mark 2 as thought by some owners.
The writer is correct in January 1962 the Austin Mini and Mini Minor was dropped and now known as the “MINI” for export reasons but the writer fails to mention that both Austin and Minor continued until mid 1962 when all old bonnets and boots were used up in UK hence why my car has Austin emblems.
History this car was purchase in 1962 confirmed by copy of logbook also showing number transferred by owner in 1970.
This car was driven for some 7 years before having a minor accident taking the car to her friends garage in Cambridge for repair in the meantime she brought a Cortina.
20 years later her friend still had her Mini,Malcolm my friend collected car but with rusty doors and bumpers sold it to Malcolm. He strip car into boxes and started repairs however having re-skinned the doors finding they were too large and gave up.
15 years later purchased Mini in 2017.
The car was sand blasted and to make the doors fit the Body Engineer cut the door skins down the middle and knocked together and welded up no distortion perfect job.
There seems some Mini experts saying it has been reshelled if they had inspected this car they would find its a genuine Mark 1 mini that has not been reshelled and would happy go to Court to prove this.
There was mention of holes on the A frame indicting lights had been fitted I failed to find.
Do they mean the B post that’s seat belt bolts that were never used.
If the buyer looks through the paperwork I supplied the evidence is for all to see as well the costing of renovation .
I am a 74 old man and have all was been upfront with everything I do and would not deceive anybody particularly in this case this car I vouch is genuine Mark 1 and the buyer would be proud to own and will find that proper Mark 1 guys would know the truth that this car that has been off the road for 48 years has been restored to its glory.
I find it sad there are mini owners who think they know it all but Fail to understand the history of such a great car
I Robert Car deem the facts true and would happy to go to court to prove such.

Check the V5 and any old logbooks as Enid Blyton may have owned it.

[Exminiman]

** BELOW IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF ATW359A **

In 2018 having restored this car took it to Brighton Mini Run to try out the car as well to hope to meet Mk 1 club. Two experts looked the car over starting at the engine area as from 1962 the structure had change but was ok .They devoted a lot of time on the guttering as very important on Mk 1 was correct.Next the door aperture was measured also correct.Then the rear window was checked as thought it should have the smaller window, they ran there hands done both sides of the back and asked me to do the same that is only on Mk 1 as owners of Mk 1 will be aware.The glass coding is 1962.
So why has it larger glass-in 1962 the rear narrow window panel had to be reworked slowing production as the tooling needed polishing meaning a month out for the tooling to be worked.If you talk to “Minispares” they will Be able to confirm this .A decision was made to use a stockpile of new larger aperture panels and showed me another owners car which had the same.The boot lid would have different variations as the company were trying to save costs but had “Austin Mini” holes and not a mark 2 as thought by some owners.
The writer is correct in January 1962 the Austin Mini and Mini Minor was dropped and now known as the “MINI” for export reasons but the writer fails to mention that both Austin and Minor continued until mid 1962 when all old bonnets and boots were used up in UK hence why my car has Austin emblems.
History this car was purchase in 1962 confirmed by copy of logbook also showing number transferred by owner in 1970.
This car was driven for some 7 years before having a minor accident taking the car to her friends garage in Cambridge for repair in the meantime she brought a Cortina.
20 years later her friend still had her Mini,Malcolm my friend collected car but with rusty doors and bumpers sold it to Malcolm. He strip car into boxes and started repairs however having re-skinned the doors finding they were too large and gave up.
15 years later purchased Mini in 2017.
The car was sand blasted and to make the doors fit the Body Engineer cut the door skins down the middle and knocked together and welded up no distortion perfect job.
There seems some Mini experts saying it has been reshelled if they had inspected this car they would find its a genuine Mark 1 mini that has not been reshelled and would happy go to Court to prove this.
There was mention of holes on the A frame indicting lights had been fitted I failed to find.
Do they mean the B post that’s seat belt bolts that were never used.
If the buyer looks through the paperwork I supplied the evidence is for all to see as well the costing of renovation .
I am a 74 old man and have all was been upfront with everything I do and would not deceive anybody particularly in this case this car I vouch is genuine Mark 1 and the buyer would be proud to own and will find that proper Mark 1 guys would know the truth that this car that has been off the road for 48 years has been restored to its glory.
I find it sad there are mini owners who think they know it all but Fail to understand the history of such a great car
I Robert Car deem the facts true and would happy to go to court to prove such.

Check the V5 and any old logbooks as Enid Blyton may have owned it.

Or hes been on Rolex Bob’s car sales course Why has he mentioned his age in his defence, its irrelevant, Fritzl was even older .......

[dannymann97]

Hi guys,

After several discussions with CCA they are still adamant that ATW359A is a 'really special thing' and a 'genuine car'. However, as we all know that this is a load of rubbish. The expect full payment from me which I have disputed and left in the hands of my hard working legal team. Myself and my legal team have contacted several classic car experts and classic Mini specialists which have confirmed that ATW359A is not a genuine MK1 Austin Mini. There are several issues with the car as of which some of them have been spotted by you guys. With all the evidence that I have gathered against CCA I am in a strong position to fight this in court if it comes that.

I am extremely disappointed with the level of customer care from CCA considering I have been buying and selling with them for years. They certainly won't be getting anymore business from me!

Anyway, I will keep you all informed.

[Exminiman]

Hi guys,

After several discussions with CCA they are still adamant that ATW359A is a 'really special thing' and a 'genuine car'. However, as we all know that this is a load of rubbish. The expect full payment from me which I have disputed and left in the hands of my hard working legal team. Myself and my legal team have contacted several classic car experts and classic Mini specialists which have confirmed that ATW359A is not a genuine MK1 Austin Mini. There are several issues with the car as of which some of them have been spotted by you guys. With all the evidence that I have gathered against CCA I am in a strong position to fight this in court if it comes that.

I am extremely disappointed with the level of customer care from CCA considering I have been buying and selling with them for years. They certainly won't be getting anymore business from me!

Anyway, I will keep you all informed.

Good luck, really hope every thing works out, I can’t imagine how dissapointed you must feel.

[surfblue63]

With prices of Mk1 cars getting higher it makes the Italian ones even more of a bargain. Find a car like this in the UK for less than £10k.

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/ ... f1840399fd

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[GraemeC]

If there was an easy, effortless way to get that on my drive I'd be very interested in it!
I just haven't got the time (or inclination) to deal with the importing

[mab01uk]

Silverstone Auctions - Friday 31st July Sale
Lot No. 314 - 1971 Morris Mini Cooper S :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... i-cooper-s

Lot No. 360 - 1986 MG Metro 6R4, Estimate: £210,000 - £250,000 :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... -metro-6r4

Lot No. 374 - 1971 Mini Cooper S 1275 Mk3 :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... s-1275-mk3

Lot No. 388 - 1963 Austin Mini Cooper 1071 S :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... per-1071-s

Lot No. 406 - 1966 Austin Mini Cooper 1275 S :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... per-1275-s

Lot No. 408 - 1967 Austin Mini Moke :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... -mini-moke

[mab01uk]

Silverstone auctions - Saturday 1st August Sale
Lot No. 507 - 1964 Austin Mini Cooper 'Downton' :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... er-downton

Lot No. 521 - 1960 Austin Mini Seven :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... mini-seven

Lot No. 580 - 1965 Morris Mini Traveller De Luxe :-
(first owner was Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma)
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... er-de-luxe

Lot No. 594 - 1971 Wood and Pickett/Radford Mini Cooper S :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... i-cooper-s

Lot No. 596 - 1968 Morris Mini Cooper S :-
https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/eve ... i-cooper-s