With the date of build (29th September 65) and it's 54 years fast approaching I hope you might find my project of interest and also I very much welcome critical comment so that I can use the opportunity to ensure accuracy as I head toward a first fit (prior to applying paint).
Back in 1975 I did restore a 1968 Mk 11 Cooper S in El Paso Beige/white roof WRR638G, that car was pretty good but had come to the end of it's first life. Bizzarly having sold that car in 1978 for my next must have, I was therefore intrigued to receive a notice from Hants CC some 16 yrs later! (in 1994) advising that unless I removed said car from an address in Havant within 10 days it would be removed and scrapped!
I immediately hot footed it down to the address of a 1950's bungalow one of those that shared a driveway with the neighbour but the garage to each property then angled back into the garden, perhaps the owner had died as the bungalow was empty, the garden overgrown but there in the back garden sat my former pride and joy but now welded to the earth with every thing growing through and sadly to say now rotten as a pear - testified by opening the passenger door which promptly fell to the ground.
At this time these cars were worth perhaps 4k for a good one, I was 120miles from home, no workshop and no means of dragging the car through a tricky angle and would have had to remove a section of fence - I sadly decided to forget this but have always regretted this once in a lifetime opportunity of reowning and rebuilding my former car and which I could now own for nothing. This has bugged me badly ever since especially now seeing what Andrew has achieved with HOY and what a story that would have become.
The culmination of this however was a growing desire to get back into a cooper S, a vehicle that I had had so much fun driving all over europe and as my everyday car. I then went to view another Mk 2 (all black) on the day of Prince Williams wedding some 150 miles away taking the opportunity of an easy drive with roads mostly deserted. The car was quite nice but had been restored to a tidy fashion but on the way back I knew I had to start a project from scratch otherwise I would be paying a high price and redoing the work.
The idea kept developing and apart from the little conveniences like the stalk switch for the indicator/headlamp dip switch I really preferred the Mk1 over the Mk2 for its purity and bright colours and so the search started I would look for a project car in one of my favourite colours; Fiesta Yellow, Surf Blue or Tweed Grey. A tweed grey car then came up at auction in Dorset but the car had been reshelled earlier in its life and I wanted an original shell. Also I wanted to build a car to the specification that I would have chosen had I been placing an order for a new one. This would be with twin tanks, both sizes 3.5 and 4.5 sets of wheels as they look great in both sizes. Factory recliners and the engine to the fast road specification as built by Downton as their philosophy of power through efficiency chimed well, dash board Dulles.
As we do! I spent many hours on google and then hey bingo I found the car in New Zealand. The car had been ordered new as a race car and the first owner who I've been unable to find: Westall Marshall, purchased it without heater but with the full complement of Special Tuning products. He was apparently rather aggreived to find that the car arrived standard and all the parts in boxes - some were never fitted but after 6 months he or the car were found not to be competative enough to win so he sold it on...
The car has since covered 110,000 miles (by 1990 it's last recorded use) with 23 different entries in the log book but approx 6 of these are likely to have been the garage selling the vehicle. It was then purchased by an amazing racing driver Ken Smith (worth googling) who found the car on ebay and bought it (to fund his racing). These images are of the car when he purchased it.
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Thank you Mark for the image posting and the encouragement!
I was very excited to find this car back in April 2014 but then the dilemma of distance, the vendor Cameron (Cam) of Bulldog Motors from Balclutha soon gained my trust especially as his business was located in a road called "Baxters Avenue" Baxter being my surname. Balclutha is on the South Island and the story goes that when the Scottish settlers arrived on the shore (of this Scottish clan area) that they had lost their way and been blown back to Scotland!
There was also some purchase interest from Japan and so a few nail biting weeks passed until I heard that the road was clear for me to proceed, I could have jumped on the plane but flying that distance was not an option I relished, I did have a past contact in NZ who I tried to contact so he could act as my representative but I failed to hook up.
I was especially pleased to learn that they use no salt on their roads so hope was high for a rust freeish body, especially as the most informative log book (which helped me to locate 2 of it's past owners) showed that the car had lived on the North Island in the warmer climate of Auckland. Cam told me of what he knew of the car and that since the (preceding) photos the car had been shot blast and put into 2k primer and did he want me to send the car restored or as is. I chose the latter as I can do some limited welding and had high hopes of doing what seemed from the photos some light remedial work to the offside cill, battery box and floor pan and the curve section on the rear quarter just ahead of the o/s rear wheel.
He advised that the car had been rolled at some time in it's life but it was long ago as the repairs had been lead loaded rather than using common filler. It was still in pieces and we agreed that he would fit up the heavy items, engine, gearbox etc get it rolling and pack the remainder of lighter items in the car.
Cam had quite a lot of Cooper S items and was very knowledgable, after sending my list of everything I could think of to make sure it was a complete car we discussed the oil cooler and right side tank, he advised that there had not been an oil cooler fitted but it would have had one of the early type mounted low on the engine (rather than the front panel) and he could get me one, he also had a RH tank with the original marking of the part number.
The car was supplied as a single tank car and I thought long and hard about keeping it this way but it was an option and I think the double tank is such a defining item, and my father owned at the time an S type Jaguar that had two tanks and always thought it a bit cool to be filling from both sides! so have gone that route (apologies to the purists - which I also tend to be) in any case this is a car I intend to keep so why not have a little of what one fancies!
Knowing the car was in pieces I asked if he could find a Mk 1 (not necessarily Cooper) of the same period so I could fill up the container but more importantly have all (or most) of the original and period fixings and hopefully original glass. This seemed to be on the cards and so we were all set to go, half the money paid in April and the balance to be paid when delivered to the dock in November 2014, unfortunately however the second car had since been sold so some of the space was filled with other parts which had been sold to 4 or 5 uk buyers. Otherwise all had gone according to plan and without the need to fly over...
Great excitement then to follow the container vessel as it shipped across the world stopping of here and there before arriving at the Gateway Docks in London exactly on my Birthday 28th December - what a present! The vessel seemed to be stationary for a few hours on the day in the channel after leaving Hamburg and then all of a sudden it had docked.
Still it was with not a little trepidation that I turned up with truck and trailer a few days later following payment of dues to see whether on the opening of the container (which was wire locked until I was in position) I would find a big clowns face on the back wall with a the word SUCKER! But no, there she was back in the UK and ready to be resurrected
I was very excited to find this car back in April 2014 but then the dilemma of distance, the vendor Cameron (Cam) of Bulldog Motors from Balclutha soon gained my trust especially as his business was located in a road called "Baxters Avenue" Baxter being my surname. Balclutha is on the South Island and the story goes that when the Scottish settlers arrived on the shore (of this Scottish clan area) that they had lost their way and been blown back to Scotland!
There was also some purchase interest from Japan and so a few nail biting weeks passed until I heard that the road was clear for me to proceed, I could have jumped on the plane but flying that distance was not an option I relished, I did have a past contact in NZ who I tried to contact so he could act as my representative but I failed to hook up.
I was especially pleased to learn that they use no salt on their roads so hope was high for a rust freeish body, especially as the most informative log book (which helped me to locate 2 of it's past owners) showed that the car had lived on the North Island in the warmer climate of Auckland. Cam told me of what he knew of the car and that since the (preceding) photos the car had been shot blast and put into 2k primer and did he want me to send the car restored or as is. I chose the latter as I can do some limited welding and had high hopes of doing what seemed from the photos some light remedial work to the offside cill, battery box and floor pan and the curve section on the rear quarter just ahead of the o/s rear wheel.
He advised that the car had been rolled at some time in it's life but it was long ago as the repairs had been lead loaded rather than using common filler. It was still in pieces and we agreed that he would fit up the heavy items, engine, gearbox etc get it rolling and pack the remainder of lighter items in the car.
Cam had quite a lot of Cooper S items and was very knowledgable, after sending my list of everything I could think of to make sure it was a complete car we discussed the oil cooler and right side tank, he advised that there had not been an oil cooler fitted but it would have had one of the early type mounted low on the engine (rather than the front panel) and he could get me one, he also had a RH tank with the original marking of the part number.
The car was supplied as a single tank car and I thought long and hard about keeping it this way but it was an option and I think the double tank is such a defining item, and my father owned at the time an S type Jaguar that had two tanks and always thought it a bit cool to be filling from both sides! so have gone that route (apologies to the purists - which I also tend to be) in any case this is a car I intend to keep so why not have a little of what one fancies!
Knowing the car was in pieces I asked if he could find a Mk 1 (not necessarily Cooper) of the same period so I could fill up the container but more importantly have all (or most) of the original and period fixings and hopefully original glass. This seemed to be on the cards and so we were all set to go, half the money paid in April and the balance to be paid when delivered to the dock in November 2014, unfortunately however the second car had since been sold so some of the space was filled with other parts which had been sold to 4 or 5 uk buyers. Otherwise all had gone according to plan and without the need to fly over...
Great excitement then to follow the container vessel as it shipped across the world stopping of here and there before arriving at the Gateway Docks in London exactly on my Birthday 28th December - what a present! The vessel seemed to be stationary for a few hours on the day in the channel after leaving Hamburg and then all of a sudden it had docked.
Still it was with not a little trepidation that I turned up with truck and trailer a few days later following payment of dues to see whether on the opening of the container (which was wire locked until I was in position) I would find a big clowns face on the back wall with a the word SUCKER! But no, there she was back in the UK and ready to be resurrected
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This is a great story and I'll be reading with interest. I didn't realise those oil coolers were put on that late though?
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You may be right Andy although on page 36 of Jack Parnells book he mentions it: 'prior to standardisation in January 1966 of the oil filter'. I've heard they were rather prone to fracturing their pipes due to the engine vibration - not clever on a FWD car!
With the car coming from foreign climes there was the subject of registration and the car came with its 2nd NZ number wrapped in a box (HP 2848) the first number being EI 6475, so I immediately tried to see whether by chance either of these plates might just be available in the UK as the make up seemed to similar to those used in NZ and would be a rather nice way to link the cars geographical positions.
I drew a blank on both numbers and then thought what would be a nice plate? with ACS 65C coming to mind, as this signaturise the car quite nicely. I checked with one of these number plate companies that said yes they could probably get this plate for around 2k. I thought that was a bit excessive and said that I would be willing to go to 1k but no further.
I then learned that one could purchase directly from the DVLA by way of an auction, so expressed my interest and waited, a while later the DVLA advised it would be at the next auction and so bid on it, with all the cost I managed to secure it for around 5 or 6 hundred and am very pleased with it.
With the car coming from foreign climes there was the subject of registration and the car came with its 2nd NZ number wrapped in a box (HP 2848) the first number being EI 6475, so I immediately tried to see whether by chance either of these plates might just be available in the UK as the make up seemed to similar to those used in NZ and would be a rather nice way to link the cars geographical positions.
I drew a blank on both numbers and then thought what would be a nice plate? with ACS 65C coming to mind, as this signaturise the car quite nicely. I checked with one of these number plate companies that said yes they could probably get this plate for around 2k. I thought that was a bit excessive and said that I would be willing to go to 1k but no further.
I then learned that one could purchase directly from the DVLA by way of an auction, so expressed my interest and waited, a while later the DVLA advised it would be at the next auction and so bid on it, with all the cost I managed to secure it for around 5 or 6 hundred and am very pleased with it.
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I have often found it most rewarding to spend time (endeavouring) delving into the history of older cars, I’ve done this with the help of the old style log books which as we know record owners and addresses all the way through.
I’ve used Instagram, Facebook, good old fashioned letter by post and even the electoral register and when I restored my Lotus Elan Sprint I not only discovered that where I assumed the mileage to have been once around the clock was in fact 22k miles from new! I was able to trace both previous owners, the first had spent his honeymoon in the car and still had the purchase receipts from Lotus cars and we cleared up a crazed paint issue, it was then featured in Classic Car Magazine once the whole story was pieced together – very rewarding.
With another car from 1962 I managed to find and meet with the first owner’s son who had driven the car back in the day and still (helpfully) lived at his fathers address. I managed to then connect with the technician who used to service the car for his father and only recently heard back from a later owner who said the car had been used as a getaway car in a bank robbery in 1970 and provided photos from this time!
As a lad in the 60’s my father used to bring home the Autocar, Motor and Motorsport magazines where I would absorb like blotting paper the cars and race results in particular those of the Mini Cooper S and of course Jim Clark in F1.
My father was a travelleling salesman and in the school holidays I would accompany him and my minds eye is full of those gaily coloured british cars that filled the roads at the time, who can forget the Triumph Heralds in light blue, Yellow and Red with the white flash down the sides, the Ford Anglia with its cut back window in powder blue, the Jaguar Mk 2’s in their striking metallic paint!
One cannot forget either the odd sighting of that first truly sporting saloon on the road – Lotus Cortina Mk1, lowered and fat with it’s 5J wheels was a revelation. We lived just 4 miles away from the Lotus Factory then in Cheshunt and my father (with me like an eager young pup) became a regular visitor when he would purchase parts that eventually turned his 1966 Ford Corsair into a Lotus Corsair. Lotus Elites and formula cars littered the space outside the factory!
The irony of this would be that the body shop that has just finished the metal work on ACS 65C is bang opposite the old Lotus works in Delamare Road!
A wealthy local owner ‘from the big house’ owned a Mk 2 Jaguar as his ‘posh’ car and an always clean, Island Blue/White D registered Austin Cooper S with the 4.5J wheels and twin tanks as his ‘London’ car. He’d cruise slowly past in the morning as I cycled to school with a cheery wave and the exhaust vapour wafting from the wider piped exhaust with the typical Cooper burble, with a downward slope out of the village I could keep that car in my sight for a quarter mile or so – such impressions run deep.
Therefore when I was to finally make contact with the 3rd owner of ACS 65C last year I was delighted that he was to send me these images, one of which shows a dash mounted rev counter – no longer there but it caused me to check and sure enough the mounting holes still are.
He had purchased the car from a fellow Club member who he knew had rolled the car whilst hill climbing (a popular sport over in NZ,) had been cosmetically well repaired and covered 14k miles by May 1968.
I’ve used Instagram, Facebook, good old fashioned letter by post and even the electoral register and when I restored my Lotus Elan Sprint I not only discovered that where I assumed the mileage to have been once around the clock was in fact 22k miles from new! I was able to trace both previous owners, the first had spent his honeymoon in the car and still had the purchase receipts from Lotus cars and we cleared up a crazed paint issue, it was then featured in Classic Car Magazine once the whole story was pieced together – very rewarding.
With another car from 1962 I managed to find and meet with the first owner’s son who had driven the car back in the day and still (helpfully) lived at his fathers address. I managed to then connect with the technician who used to service the car for his father and only recently heard back from a later owner who said the car had been used as a getaway car in a bank robbery in 1970 and provided photos from this time!
As a lad in the 60’s my father used to bring home the Autocar, Motor and Motorsport magazines where I would absorb like blotting paper the cars and race results in particular those of the Mini Cooper S and of course Jim Clark in F1.
My father was a travelleling salesman and in the school holidays I would accompany him and my minds eye is full of those gaily coloured british cars that filled the roads at the time, who can forget the Triumph Heralds in light blue, Yellow and Red with the white flash down the sides, the Ford Anglia with its cut back window in powder blue, the Jaguar Mk 2’s in their striking metallic paint!
One cannot forget either the odd sighting of that first truly sporting saloon on the road – Lotus Cortina Mk1, lowered and fat with it’s 5J wheels was a revelation. We lived just 4 miles away from the Lotus Factory then in Cheshunt and my father (with me like an eager young pup) became a regular visitor when he would purchase parts that eventually turned his 1966 Ford Corsair into a Lotus Corsair. Lotus Elites and formula cars littered the space outside the factory!
The irony of this would be that the body shop that has just finished the metal work on ACS 65C is bang opposite the old Lotus works in Delamare Road!
A wealthy local owner ‘from the big house’ owned a Mk 2 Jaguar as his ‘posh’ car and an always clean, Island Blue/White D registered Austin Cooper S with the 4.5J wheels and twin tanks as his ‘London’ car. He’d cruise slowly past in the morning as I cycled to school with a cheery wave and the exhaust vapour wafting from the wider piped exhaust with the typical Cooper burble, with a downward slope out of the village I could keep that car in my sight for a quarter mile or so – such impressions run deep.
Therefore when I was to finally make contact with the 3rd owner of ACS 65C last year I was delighted that he was to send me these images, one of which shows a dash mounted rev counter – no longer there but it caused me to check and sure enough the mounting holes still are.
He had purchased the car from a fellow Club member who he knew had rolled the car whilst hill climbing (a popular sport over in NZ,) had been cosmetically well repaired and covered 14k miles by May 1968.
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Fantastic read Rich, will follow with great interest. Must get pics and the story of my 65 up soon.
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Had to laugh at the number plate - glad you got a great personal one at the price - bargain 
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Yep, great story about the number plate. Can I assume that it's transferrable too? Good for you
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Peter I do hope I can transfer to car!
This shows that generally rust was not a factor having been shot blast in NZ and 2k primer applied, note the slam cross member is missing but was supplied with the car and with the body tag in place
Peter I do hope I can transfer to car!
This shows that generally rust was not a factor having been shot blast in NZ and 2k primer applied, note the slam cross member is missing but was supplied with the car and with the body tag in place
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These are some of the items that arrived in boxes from NZ/Users/ricky/Desktop/IMG_2207.jpg
Note lack of general corrosion compared to items in the UK - reminding me that this next month (October/November) must be one of the worse periods in our year for condensation to eat away at our pride and joys!
Note lack of general corrosion compared to items in the UK - reminding me that this next month (October/November) must be one of the worse periods in our year for condensation to eat away at our pride and joys!
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Some of the items found in the parts boxes
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These following images are now a bit upsetting for it was always my intention to make good the ratty areas and therefore save as much of the original metal as I could, until that is we later found there was too much twist captured in the shell from having been rolled quite early in it's life:
Here are some of the images which showed very little corrosion given it's age and this is after shot blasting and applying 2k primer:
Here are some of the images which showed very little corrosion given it's age and this is after shot blasting and applying 2k primer:
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a few more images before going to the body shop
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They say that writing can be a cathartic experience - I'm hoping so; for this project has and is causing me grief! and maybe not for usual reasons.
There is a company in Shropshire or is it Staffordshire called CMC Ltd, they are Jaguar restoration elite and if one wishes to be held in awe then there is very little to beat reading about the revival of the infamous Linder/Nocker E type that unfortunately claimed a few lives after it crashed in the early sixties.
This car rolled end to end and it ended up as a ball of folded alloy. Eventually it was restored using above 90% of its original metal by removing all the rivets, and reforming the panel - it is a breath taking story of skill and determination which absorbed approx 7,000 skilled man hours.
This resonated with me and so the Cooper S was going to be my above 90% project - I would in my head develop the necessary skills to return this S to the road with as much original metal as possible. Unfortunately I possess neither the skill of Andrew S or Paul Dooly who actually has done the work.
This was Pauls fault entirely, for I invited him to look at the car and while assessing it and picking up a handy hammer showed me in stark contrast just how devoid I was in the reality stakes and once we got into the project appreciated even more just how skilful these metal guys really are.
The understanding of how metal reacts to stretching/shrinking receiving welds makes me weep with envy!
There is a company in Shropshire or is it Staffordshire called CMC Ltd, they are Jaguar restoration elite and if one wishes to be held in awe then there is very little to beat reading about the revival of the infamous Linder/Nocker E type that unfortunately claimed a few lives after it crashed in the early sixties.
This car rolled end to end and it ended up as a ball of folded alloy. Eventually it was restored using above 90% of its original metal by removing all the rivets, and reforming the panel - it is a breath taking story of skill and determination which absorbed approx 7,000 skilled man hours.
This resonated with me and so the Cooper S was going to be my above 90% project - I would in my head develop the necessary skills to return this S to the road with as much original metal as possible. Unfortunately I possess neither the skill of Andrew S or Paul Dooly who actually has done the work.
This was Pauls fault entirely, for I invited him to look at the car and while assessing it and picking up a handy hammer showed me in stark contrast just how devoid I was in the reality stakes and once we got into the project appreciated even more just how skilful these metal guys really are.
The understanding of how metal reacts to stretching/shrinking receiving welds makes me weep with envy!
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Showing the condition of the original floor, as can be noted the front floor is rippled, thin and the inner right hand cill is quite lacey in its condition. As the car is a keeper there was a discussion about rust in the floor seams plus the work required to patch in areas rather than simply replace with a complete new floor.
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I would be very interested to receive your views for and against the decision made to replace the complete floor?
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Kevin - Do you think from a position of strength and rust in seams it is the stronger case? I hate doing away with the originality...
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In preparation for the new floor...
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