1964 Rust project again

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1964 Rust project again

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Different thread for different car.

While I'm waiting for the paint on Peter's car,

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and I'm waiting for Tim to come around so I can help him build the engine, I decided it's time to start on my own rusty 64 Mini.

Peter and I pulled the windows out, got it up onto the Spyt,

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Pulled the rear subframe off

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Which I will say is in rather good nick.

And then started pulling off the oversills :twisted:

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I've already changed the left front floor and rebuilt the left A post. The right front floor is out so I put in some braces while I take away the right side oversill.
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I really don't like oversills :twisted: at all.

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But once it is off, at least there's a chance of putting in new floors.

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Well, that fell out!

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Back edge is half-way cleaned up

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After cleaning around all the edges, the new piece fits, so the back is plug-welded on.

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This thing has original front wings and front end.

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I got this beast in the post from M-machine. I think it's the only repair panel I'm missing (Yeah, right)
I need it now to be certain the floor parts align with the straight bottom of the cross brace.

ImageIMG_20180625_172324 by frogeye61, on Flickr

I had already replaced the left front floor so it is time to start on the left rear

ImageIMG_20180627_173008 by frogeye61, on Flickr

It was removed in a similar fashion to the right rear

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You are a glutton for punishment :)

Keep up the good work.
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Well done for inspiring the rest of us
Brilliant work :)
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In the last week, I have been just fiddling around with this project, (and a bunch of other projects) so here I've just repaired the bottom of the side bin rether than change the whole thing.

ImageIMG_20180706_221637 by frogeye61, on Flickr

Then I got the left rear floor trimmed and installed, at least partially.

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I have also been trying to clean my motor, but I'm afraid I might need a bit stronger cleaner.

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It has all new seals and head gasket, and a gray clutch and something that looks like a kent 276 cam but with higher lift! I got this at ÅKM a while ago.
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Just a quick update.

Two piece floors not perfect, but good enough for me.
Now just to scrape all that undercoating off.
Still have to do the sills.

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There's now't wrong with 2 piece floors.
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Another Tuesday evening and Peter helped with stripping the bottom of the boot, and the front panel.

How I left it:
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I pulled the lower back panel off and Peter cleaned the boot floor
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The Swedes found new resourceful ways of making an over-panel.

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Only small rust spots to be addressed

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Cleaned, but dented with many holes, but generally not too bad for an original panel.

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I've always wanted one of these. they have been very elusive, maybe because the Aussies never valued them. But thanks to a sleezebayer diddle4, who was so kind, I now have one. OK, it's rusty has he!!, but nothing any self-respecting car restorer can't take care of.

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This isn't the final condition. I'm still working on the internal rust, but it looks a sight better. It will be the proper green when done - and it's going onto my Frogeye!

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Among the many small repairs to the 64 Mini, I have replaced the floor tabs as original (after only one mistake). I will have to find out where the pipes go, and what type rubbers they are fitted with.

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Rather than replace the entire rear valence cover, it was in reasonable shape so I did a repair panel, this one made from the old floor pan so it still has some of the same undercoat.

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It still needs a bit of cleanup.

The battery box is ok, but for a couple small rust holes in the bottom. I have two new battery boxes, but am considering making a new bottom from stainless steel. On my Frogeye, I did the battery tray in stainless and am happy with it.

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The rear frame mount has been more difficult, especially so since I haven't gotten any new panels but made everything myself. I still have to clean up the welds, but here it is. The patch on the inner wing was done by a previous owner. It wasn't causing any problems so I left it for now.

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I will do as the factory did and drill & tap the mounting nuts after the subframe is in place, to ensure a proper fit.
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I think those ones were only fitted to the standard mini and 1100 models when they started pressing and assembling engines here. The Cooper S engines were imported whole with the standard UK type with no breather

I’ve got one of those for my new engine
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They also made baffled ones later on
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And plain
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Brilliant, wonderful! Thanks.

Do you know which years they were produced?
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I'm not sure but I can ask ;)

This is my best guess at the moment:
Type 1 (curved breather) : 1964 to 1966
Type 2 (no breather) : 1967 onwards? Morris 1100S and GT (With PCV system)
Type 3 (with baffled breather) : 1966 till the imported engines started again.
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That "Hot Run Tested" decal would be a fun one to reproduce.
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Bertam wrote:That "Hot Run Tested" decal would be a fun one to reproduce.
Already done!

BMC version
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Fascinating to see all these little differences ;-)
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Well, I have finished the left panel and structure. It's done with epoxy paint inside, then rust protection. I mounted the rear subframe before drilling and tapping the mounting threads. Once all done, the cover went on and welded around the edges. Yes, a few small pieces to go but it's whole and strong.

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I then started on the right side again.

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OK, I haven't posted for a while. that doesn't mean I haven't been working on the car. Just that I've had a lot of other things on my mind.
One is that I had to study for the citizenship exam. then problems at the office that required my full undivided attention. But I actually made time almost every Tuesday to work on the car.

December through February, I repaired the other front inner wing and triangle. I wanted to keep all the original metal I could (silly, I know), so just couldn't change all of the inner wing, but the triangle is of course all new.
ImageIMG_20181204_204944 by frogeye61, on Flickr

Welded in place, but not completely pretty until ground down, and apparently still a tweak out of line as seen later.
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All straight now.
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Then welded solid
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March saw the rear valence repair. The boot floor was still nearly good enough, as was the boot hinge panel. But the valence was rot.
I pulled it off and there was just a bit of the boot floor that needed attention.
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The entire rear edge needed renewing, as did the "closing" panels. The closing panels I did on Peter's car did actually close the valence, where mine didn't. I decided to do it as original so I made bits from 1.5mm plate.

I cleaned all the undercoating by hand and sanded it all down. there was quite a bit of surface rust and a number of Swedish human induced holes, round and big, some like 50mm. They all got welded and smoothed.
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After cleaning with sand paper, wire brush and phosphor acid, it was painted with very tough epoxy primer.

I made this bottom for the battery box. I have two new boxes on the shelf, but somehow I prefer stainless steel for battery boxes.
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Then I went ahead and epoxy'ed the entire bottom
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