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NotNormal · Post by **NotNormal** » Tue May 01, 2018 2:41 pm

Low mileage 1967 Mini 850 coming up for grabs via this article

https://www.autoclassics.com/posts/news ... xe-auction

Post by **Hipwell** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:54 pm

Pete wrote:
surfblue63 wrote:
Hippo wrote:Looks like the bitsa did sell
https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/aust ... tion-1974/
Must have sold by private treaty as it was not sold when I checked the results
About £12K, all S spec, looks a very decent shell. A good buy I'd say!

Agreed, if I had space I'd have bought it for that price.

Post by **rich@minispares.com** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:20 pm

cracking car, lets hope its kept 'as is'

I wonder if you can put a preservation order on them?

Post by **Nick W** » Wed May 02, 2018 10:21 am

nice mk1 at buxton

https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/ ... GCTPVKXNOA

although the photo looks like fake patina ....but could be wrong

Post by **Pete** » Wed May 02, 2018 10:45 am

Nick W wrote:nice mk1 at buxton

https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/ ... GCTPVKXNOA

although the photo looks like fake patina ....but could be wrong

More pics here...

https://online.handh.co.uk/m/lot-detail ... id%2F87%2F

Brynmor · Post by **Brynmor** » Wed May 02, 2018 12:19 pm

Pete wrote:
surfblue63 wrote:
Hippo wrote:Looks like the bitsa did sell
https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/aust ... tion-1974/
Must have sold by private treaty as it was not sold when I checked the results
About £12K, all S spec, looks a very decent shell. A good buy I'd say!

I nearly did buy it, but got something else instead

surfblue63 · Post by **surfblue63** » Wed May 02, 2018 8:33 pm

Pete wrote:
Nick W wrote:nice mk1 at buxton

https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/ ... GCTPVKXNOA

although the photo looks like fake patina ....but could be wrong
More pics here...

https://online.handh.co.uk/m/lot-detail ... id%2F87%2F

That's a nice looking car. Might make more than estimate.

Post by **coopertim** » Wed May 02, 2018 9:54 pm

Tweed does look well with Tartan red vinyl! Might have to rethink the Grey / Gold brocade and hang out for Red / Gold instead!!

Tim

Post by **kit of bits** » Wed May 09, 2018 9:08 pm

Dose anyone have and information on this car?

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C98 ... atI.mailto

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Post by **111Robin** » Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 am

Classic caravan anyone ?

https://stock.morrisleslie.com/stock/de ... eg=DRAYTON

surfblue63 · Post by **surfblue63** » Thu May 17, 2018 10:03 am

^That would make a great go anywhere camper van.

Downton/Radford Cooper S?? at Silverstone this weekend. Also it must be an OHC engine as

an H.R.G. Alloy Rocker covered a 731 rally cam,

. This may well have been a Radford at one time looking at the de-seamed body and mutant chrome trim, but there is not much else. It could be yet another collection of old paper work attached to an 850 shell.

http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1965 ... i-cooper-s

Thu May 17, 2018 10:33 am

surfblue63 wrote:^That would make a great go anywhere camper van.

Downton/Radford Cooper S?? at Silverstone this weekend. Also it must be an OHC engine as
an H.R.G. Alloy Rocker covered a 731 rally cam,
. This may well have been a Radford at one time looking at the de-seamed body and mutant chrome trim, but there is not much else. It could be yet another collection of old paper work attached to an 850 shell.

http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1965 ... i-cooper-s

its not even a hrg cover...........

leaving the boot board brackets in the 'as delivered' black paint finish is a nice touch that most serious restorers miss....

the 'elf' trim looks nice though, my black and gold heap had that fitted originally

burger · Post by **burger** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:05 pm

As the owner of that vehicle, I can answer any questions you like about it in order to stop all the speculation....

As for the cover...

EDIT: see below

mk1 · Post by **mk1** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:18 pm

burger wrote:As the owner of that vehicle, I can answer any questions you like about it in order to stop all the speculation....

As for the cover...

https://picclick.co.uk/Classic-Mini-HRG ... 92865.html

Look familiar..?

I usually steer clear of discussions of value but the rocker cover on the red car referred to above is NOT an HRG one, the one in the link above is, but the one on the car is different, this was available from a huge array of suppliers throughout the 80's & 90's, only being superseded by the type that is currently offered by MS. It has a squarer top, a different number of fins & no place to put the HRG badge.

"Minispares" type

HRG

mk1 · Post by **mk1** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:35 pm

Burger,

Nice car! Sounds like a fantastic history too.

Is there any paperwork surviving for the Downton mods?

It is implied in the description that Downton did the 1974 mods including the body work & suspension, is this the case? Did they fit a head as well as the carbs & cam?

It's a shame that it hasn't retained it's grey paint job though.

I would certainly be interested to hear any more of the story you can share.

burger · Post by **burger** » Thu May 17, 2018 3:23 pm

I didn't even notice the number of fins

but I was sure I found an image that matched it perfectly a while back that claimed to be HRG

During 1975, the previous owner's son restored the car and upgraded its performance, so that cover has been there since at least that year.

My father restored the car in 2004 and no modifications/alterations were made to the engine.

Here are 2 files that document the history and the contents of the history folder supplied to Silverstones.

I do thank you for the clarification though. Unfortunately, those that could produce a perfectly accurate account of the modifications since 1965 are now dead, I am left with what was conveyed to my father, who later discussed it with me.

The history folder includes images of the car with its grey interior, but I wanted the interior to match my father's chosen colour scheme. Incidentally, the car retains its original surf blue paintwork under the dash and under the rear seat to help authenticate the chassis.

Regards

mikal · Post by **mikal** » Fri May 18, 2018 6:55 am

It looks nice but hardly "super original". Who writes that stuff...

burger · Post by **burger** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:35 pm

I have to concur that some of the details have deviated somewhat beyond the history document I provided. I guess I don't posses that auctioneer flare..

I can assure you that the factual elements of the history are true, this is not a car that has been rolled in a ditch or welded together from umpteen shells though.

This was my father's pride and joy and it is regrettable that, primarily due to his wife's arthritis, he was unable to enjoy it as much as he would've liked before its condition deteriorated

With his health failing post restoration, he was robbed of both his retirement and the fun he would've had with this vehicle during his retirement.

My mother and I have never driven it and apart from it going a mile or so to our local MoT station (before it was SORNd) [driven by an experienced 'older' friend of mine

] it has remained garaged.

Part of me doesn't want to sell it, some say it's no accident I've auctioned it during a day with both football and the Royal Wedding being on the calendar

but it's been 9 years since my father died (and 5 since my mother died) and it needs to go somewhere that will cherish it and use it, rather than it being stuck in my garage.

Thanks for the positive comments, although I did mess up on the rocker cover (I'm no mini expert I'm afraid) I should add that the sales catalogue does correctly state an alloy rocker cover (not HRG).

Regards

Post by **spoon.450** » Fri May 18, 2018 10:05 pm

That is a nice story / history, but in my opinion, as in many cases, the full restoration has taken away any originality that the car may have had

burger · Post by **burger** » Fri May 18, 2018 10:34 pm

Yes, unfortunately its condition wasn't great after being left outside under that cover and it needed a full restoration in order to fully enjoy it, which of course was my father's main priority.

He clearly wasn't bothered about the monetary side of owning it else the car would've been sprayed surf blue, but it does retain all of the important performance upgrades (engine/suspension etc) and fixtures.

I'm not sure anybody is going to find a pristine original car unless it's been sealed in an air tight container for 50 years. The availability of old parts from certain auction sites makes it too easy to 'create' an original car, so even if you did see one, chances are it isn't. Its originality was of course affected after being sent straight off to Radfords to be de-seamed in 1964, so considering this fact, no amount of 'work' or purchasing of old parts would've helped here

On the plus side, this car has never been anywhere near any well known 'restorers' that seem to create cars from only their paperwork.

I think the estimate is reasonable, considering some of the prices I have seen of late, but who's to say what something is worth if two or more people want it.

It's my first foray into the auction world so be gentle

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