5J Mk2 Cosmics

[gs.davies]

I just obtained a set of these wanting a refurb bit I'm now wondering if they'll fit under the wing without arch extensions

I'm currently undecided about whether or not to upgrade from the drums to S discs. I presume they fit under on drums, but what about s discs?

[Spitz]

I had a set on my very first MINI...a 77 with drums all around. They fit nicely, just covered up......they will not fit over discs without a flare....unless there is a different positive off-set out there

[gs.davies]

That's a shame. Also managed to pick up a set of what I suspected were Cooper S 4.5 Rims needing paint. Turns out they're reverse..

Not having much luck with this wheel lark.

Unless I stick with the drums I suppose, which could be interesting with a warmed up 1100.

[Dr S]

You know my view, I'd fit them anyway. Lots of cars about on D1's and reverse rims with S discs and no arches. I like that look.

[Spitz]

Nothing wrong with poperly adjusted drum brakes!

I used to auto cross a very warmed up 1100 in a MINI on Drums. It performed remarkably well.
The important thing is to have them adjusted properly and equally.

[mk1]

Quite a few competition drivers preferred drums to disks in the 60's. The drums were (are) a lot lighter & as long as they are adjusted properly work well. They can be prone to fade after repeated use though.

Just 1 racer that seems OK on drums.

[minitravellerman]

I have a set of 5Js with 165 tyres and running with discs they do need flares.

[LarryLebel]

They'll only protrude a small amount. Run them that way or is there some anal rule in Blighty that requires flares.

[Rusty old S]

Sticking out the body is not a MOT failure so therefore not against road law just looks a bit Boyracer

[greyghost]

Quite a few competition drivers preferred drums to disks in the 60's. The drums were (are) a lot lighter & as long as they are adjusted properly work well. They can be prone to fade after repeated use though.

Just 1 racer that seems OK on drums.

X2 on that, I ended up fitting minifins (the original ones) this allows me to stop quickly twice, instead of the usual once
oh and they fit under the guards OK too

[surfblue63]

Sticking out the body is not a MOT failure so therefore not against road law just looks a bit Boyracer

It might not be an MoT failure, but it is definitely a part of road law.

Construction and use regulations

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/made

Wings

63.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (4), this regulation applies to—
(a) invalid carriages;
(b) heavy motor cars, motor cars and motor cycles, not being agricultural motor vehicles or pedestrian-controlled vehicles;
(c) agricultural motor vehicles driven at more than 20 mph; and
(d) trailers.

(2) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (5), every vehicle to which this regulation applies shall be equipped with wings or other similar fittings to catch, so far as practicable, mud or water thrown up by the rotation of its wheels or tracks.

and the SVA Regulations, Section 37

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... manual.pdf

1. The vehicle must be fitted with wheel guards
2. The wheel guard must extend at least 30 degrees from the centre of the wheel to the front (figure 1)
3. The wheel guard must extend at least 50 degrees from the centre of the wheel to the rear (figure 1)
4. The wheel guard must cover the full breadth of the tyre throughout the required dimensions (see note 2 & figure 1)
5. The rear of the wheel guard must not terminate above a horizontal plane of 150mm above the wheel centre. (see note1 & figure 1)

Possible outcomes, 3 points, fixed penalty fine, rectification order. One, two or all three maybe applied.

[mk1]

Thanks Surf,

You put it far more eloquently than I ever could have

M

[minitravellerman]

MoT failure on this side of the Irish Sea - I think you can have up to 1/4" past the bodywork but after that it's a no-no!

[gs.davies]

That IVA book is a disconcerting.. Reading through it seems to suggest that a vehicle that has an engine swapped from another previously registered vehicle AND another item e/g transmission, is required to have an IVA.. In the case of a vast amount of Minis, that means an IVA?!

On the other hand, I read the bit to do with rebuilt vehicles...

f. Rebuilt Vehicle
A vehicle that
 is a previously UK registered vehicle to which the Secretary of State is required by regulation to assign a vehicle identification number, and does
not fall within the definition of an “Amateur Built” vehicle or “Vehicle manufactured using parts of a registered vehicle,” and has been rebuilt using
a replacement chassis or integral chassis/body which is of the same design and construction as that of the original vehicle and which was supplied for the purpose without having been previously used, or previously formed part of a registered vehicle. Evidence will be required to
meet this definition

I read that to mean that if you imported a shell from abroad, second hand, you could potentially rebuild a vehicle legally with a second hand shell. Or have I missed something?

[mk1]

This is why when you notify the DVLA of an engine swap or change in capacity they ask for an invoice or receipt from a responsible company for the work carried out.

M

[gs.davies]

This is why when you notify the DVLA of an engine swap or change in capacity they ask for an invoice or receipt from a responsible company for the work carried out.

M

And if you do it yourself (on the basis it's not exactly difficult..!)? What then? Been a while since I dabbled in this sort of thing

[mk1]

You do what some have done in the past & get your desk top publishing programme out & create a bill with the requisite details itemised. Or get a mate with a garage to do you a dodgy invoice.

Not that I would recommend such a practice.

M

[gs.davies]

You do what some have done in the past & get your desk top publishing programme out & create a bill with the requisite details itemised. Or get a mate with a garage to do you a dodgy invoice.

Not that I would recommend such a practice.

M