Has the electric car bubble burst?

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The Germans are hedging their bets but the German car industry - a very powerful lobby - is now pushing back.

They are seemingly not going to sign and neither are the Italians.

https://europe.autonews.com/environment ... many-italy

In reality there is room for both EV and ICE.

Personally - I'd love a Honda E for local driving.
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Costafortune wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:53 pm Personally - I'd love a Honda E for local driving. :
Thats the one I was thinking of, really like the look, range is just too small though for the odd busy day :(

So max of 130 miles, realistically, range anxiety at about 100, which is too low.

And £36k plus :shock:

Bit of a mini vibe, looks wise….IMHO
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not sure I'd have liked to have been stuck for 6 hours on the M62 in an electric car last night though
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johnv wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:03 am not sure I'd have liked to have been stuck for 6 hours on the M62 in an electric car last night though
Well, exactly.

However:

This is what I call an interior. What a fantastic bit of design. If I had to have an EV for town driving I'd buy one like a shot.
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Exminiman wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:16 pm
Costafortune wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:53 pm Personally - I'd love a Honda E for local driving. :
Thats the one I was thinking of, really like the look, range is just too small though for the odd busy day :(

So max of 130 miles, realistically, range anxiety at about 100, which is too low.

And £36k plus :shock:

Bit of a mini vibe, looks wise….IMHO

36k isn't unreasonable but it needs a solid 200 mile range.

Definitely a Mini vibe. More Mini like than the atrocities BMW have planned.

Look at this nonsense.

Mini Shiteman? :lol:
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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars....

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Between 2019 and 2022, groups of Tesla employees privately shared via an internal messaging system sometimes highly invasive videos and images recorded by customers’ car cameras, according to interviews by Reuters with nine former employees.
“We could see inside people's garages and their private properties,” said another former employee. “Let's say that a Tesla customer had something in their garage that was distinctive, you know, people would post those kinds of things.”
Tesla didn't respond to detailed questions sent to the company for this report.
Two ex-employees said they weren’t bothered by the sharing of images, saying that customers had given their consent or that people long ago had given up any reasonable expectation of keeping personal data private. Three others, however, said they were troubled by it.
“It was a breach of privacy, to be honest. And I always joked that I would never buy a Tesla after seeing how they treated some of these people,” said one former employee.
Another said: “I’m bothered by it because the people who buy the car, I don't think they know that their privacy is, like, not respected … We could see them doing laundry and really intimate things. We could see their kids.”
One former employee saw nothing wrong with sharing images, but described a function that allowed data labelers to view the location of recordings on Google Maps as a “massive invasion of privacy.”
David Choffnes, executive director of the Cybersecurity and Privacy Institute at Northeastern University in Boston, called sharing of sensitive videos and images by Tesla employees “morally reprehensible.”
“Any normal human being would be appalled by this,” he said. He noted that circulating sensitive and personal content could be construed as a violation of Tesla’s own privacy policy — potentially resulting in intervention by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, which enforces federal laws relating to consumers’ privacy.
“People who walked by these vehicles were filmed without knowing it. And the owners of the Teslas could go back and look at these images,” said DPA board member Katja Mur in a statement. “If a person parked one of these vehicles in front of someone’s window, they could spy inside and see everything the other person was doing. That is a serious violation of privacy.”
The watchdog determined it wasn’t Tesla, but the vehicles’ owners, who were legally responsible for their cars’ recordings. It said it decided not to fine the company after Tesla said it had made several changes to Sentry Mode, including having a vehicle’s headlights pulse to inform passers-by that they may be being recorded.
In interviews, two former employees said in their normal work duties they were sometimes asked to view images of customers in and around their homes, including inside garages.
“I sometimes wondered if these people know that we're seeing that,” said one.
“I saw some scandalous stuff sometimes, you know, like I did see scenes of intimacy but not nudity,” said another. “And there was just definitely a lot of stuff that like, I wouldn't want anybody to see about my life.”
As an example, this person recalled seeing “embarrassing objects,” such as “certain pieces of laundry, certain sexual wellness items … and just private scenes of life that we really were privy to because the car was charging.”
One of the perks of working for Tesla as a data labeler in San Mateo was the chance to win a prize – use of a company car for a day or two, according to two former employees.
But some of the lucky winners became paranoid when driving the electric cars.
“Knowing how much data those vehicles are capable of collecting definitely made folks nervous," one ex-employee said.
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https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesl ... 023-04-06/

I think I will stick with my 'old' ICE cars with no factory fitted cameras for as long as possible... :lol:
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interesting that no one seems to understand or care that EV cars are Heavy .. i wonder how many homes with "bodge it & scarper" Block Paved Drives perhaps will show signs of subsidence under the wheels after a few years of EV Parking & Road Potholes will become just maybe worse. :roll:

Can i ask what type of Jack is provided with say a Tesla .. or do you need to call the AA/RAC/ Green Flag ?

Good informative write up on a EV MINI in April Cooper World...
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On the BBC radio news this morning, some report stating that many multi story car parks will not cope well with the extra weight. :shock: :o
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And battery life only guaranteed to 8 years. Any idea of replacement cost anyone.....?
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I wouldn't be worried about the replacement cost ..more about where they are burying the old ones now Portugal is full 🙂🙄
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