Has the electric car bubble burst?

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My mate is babysiting a 2017 Model S.

The range is 200 miles. It loses 5+ miles a day without use. It will take 2.5 to 3 hours to supercharge it from 100 to 220 miles, costing about 30 quid if you don't get it free.

It costs £20 to do the same mileage in a 2015 diesel S Class (he owns one).
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Interesting. I run a 2022 Model Y every day. On the occasions where I’ve opted to use a Supercharger it takes 40 minutes from empty to give me 330 miles. I pay 9 pence per kWh at home which is under half the cost of a Supercharger.
On the basis that your mate charged the Tesla at a Supercharger station which costs double per kWh (which is the highest cost I have found for charging) then it would cost half that amount at home. That equates to £15 ie less than the indicated £20 to run the Merc. You don’t get the option of half price diesel
Based on your figures Teslas have come a long way in just a few years with a 50% increase in range and a massively reduced charging time. Imagine the progress we will see in another 5 years!!
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It takes 5 minutes to fill that Merc. 20 gallon tank, range about 600 miles.

I'll leave it at Heathrow long term for two weeks in the depths of winter, and the range will be exactly the same as it was.

Progress with EV's? I hope so!
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not quite on topic but what do we know about hybrid cars .. perhaps a better alternative to full EV .. i know nothing about either.
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a better option i think as the engine can be very small and basically a generator for the electric side.
my works van is a mild hybrid, the engine stores juice into a small battery that's supposed to boost back into the system when required, most of the time you cant tell its there, there is some increased engine braking, noticed when new, i don't notice it now.
You cant tell its doing anything apart from high gear low rpm where you can sometimes feel a lurch as it clumsily drops torque back into the flywheel / generator system.
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My uncle has a new (last year) Yaris hybrid. It's a fantastic thing capable of 70 mpg.

Toyota built the first Prius over 25 years ago now. :o
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rolesyboy wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:15 pm Interesting. I run a 2022 Model Y every day. On the occasions where I’ve opted to use a Supercharger it takes 40 minutes from empty to give me 330 miles. I pay 9 pence per kWh at home which is under half the cost of a Supercharger.
On the basis that your mate charged the Tesla at a Supercharger station which costs double per kWh (which is the highest cost I have found for charging) then it would cost half that amount at home. That equates to £15 ie less than the indicated £20 to run the Merc. You don’t get the option of half price diesel
Based on your figures Teslas have come a long way in just a few years with a 50% increase in range and a massively reduced charging time. Imagine the progress we will see in another 5 years!!
CAR magazine has an EV test this month. Model Y, BMW iX1 ands a Merc EQB.

They didn't get the official 331 miles range but 235 miles and 3.2 miles per kWh. The BMW did 200/2.7 and the Merc 195/2.7.

£52,000 though! :o
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Is this the same 'Car Magazine' reporting on their findings of the Model Y?

"The Long Range officially manages 315 miles, and it lives up to that billing from a full charge on a mild autumnal day. A robust range above 300 miles still feels pretty exceptional and will make charging anxiety a less frequent concern for many owners."
Comparatively similar findings to my real life ones.
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https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-revie ... del-y-suv/
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The very same.

Maybe it was a bad one as also they complained about the build quality.

The Merc won the test btw.
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So completely inconsistent reporting on the same car from the same magazine. I did wonder if this second article was lifted from the South Korean publication?? :D
I would not trust the 'Car' Magazine reviews on that basis. If I did I wouldn't know which issue to believe.
Either way it shows that we can all have a different perspective on things (& gives you a measure of the quality of their editorial staff)

I am happy to go with my own findings and personal/real world experience. Which thus far have been excellent. The Tesla powertrain is remarkable.
Is the build quality on par with a modern day BMW or Mercedes? Perhaps not. I considered the BMW i4 which was lovely but when I matched the options that came as standard with the Tesla it bumped the price up to nearer £75k. The Tesla is very good and its an incredibly practical and rapid car. And its one of the few EVs that currently allows you to tow a good sized caravan.
Does it cause me range anxiety -no more than my other ICE cars. I keep an eye on the range and if it gets low I charge it.

In answer to the original question 'Has the electric car bubble burst?' its an emphatic no.
The fact that practically every motoring magazine has 'EV this' or 'EV that' on the cover is pretty telling that the only way is up.
The EV market is just going to get bigger and better. Even Mercedes are doing it.

Great debate but too much of a time sink. Much love x
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