£175,000 number plate! GPH1C

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I foresee a "celebrity chef" stepping forward.
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I see very little difference Mark, both made illegally from nothing, not even an old logbook, to resemble a once famous and long lost car, pretty sure the actual story of where, who and how DJB came to be was wiped from the thread. AND yes we all know about them , about three dozen of us, the world outside doesn’t. Hence why these cars are always referred to as ex works when they appear anywhere, at Goodwood, in the press, club magazines etc etc . I’ve literally never heard or read DJB or GPH ( just two examples of a good number) referred to as replicas, like never. We’ll just have to agree to disagree (situation normal :lol: ).
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And this is EXACTLY why I have found Works cars in any hue totally unappealing.
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I would say though that the documentation is mightily impressively done - a bit like admiring the brushwork of a forger I know, but you can see why many would be taken in.

But it's fraud at the time, is it misrepresentation now (if the seller is aware of the back story, and if it would be taken to be truth)? One that I suspect only courts and expensive lawyers would decide on....... if not agree.

I'll stick to vans. 'Historically significant' has long seemed to take the joy of ownership out a lot of cars.

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mk1 wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:30 pm And this is EXACTLY why I have found Works cars in any hue totally unappealing.
Ditto....
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Pandora wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:11 pm I would say though that the documentation is mightily impressively done - a bit like admiring the brushwork of a forger I know, but you can see why many would be taken in.

But it's fraud at the time, is it misrepresentation now (if the seller is aware of the back story, and if it would be taken to be truth)? One that I suspect only courts and expensive lawyers would decide on....... if not agree.

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This is where I was coming from, sort of "Lovejoy" , forger type interest..
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I'd rather have 1 BOA, at least the history on the current Cooper Car Co racer is clear.

Sadly certain cars origins are well known, but only to a relatively small section of people, I'm sure it's the same with works Escorts / Cortina's / Ex BTTC Cosworth Sierra's / Pro-drive Subaru's / F1 cars and all manner of other things, yet they will be rolled out to the general public as the car that did X,Y, or Z and they will take what's written on the display boards as fact, I certainly don't know any different when I'm looking at 99% of things at general events.

Yes it needs to be out in the open, we know information has gone to people selling cars in the past, it's not very often (if at all) that this gets actioned (no matter how compelling the evidence is that it's not what they are advertising it as).

How the information gets out there is the difficult thing, no doubt, with the amount of money needed to own some of the cars with a works history, the owners have plenty of clever people behind them to crucify the likes of us if we go up against them, so the only thing that can be done is to keep the information factual and not let threads get personal.
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absolutely spot on, Mark. Minis are bad, but Bentleys / Ferraris / Jaguars..... they all have these cases.

I always come back to the case where 2 rich collectors fell out over a Jaguar engined sports racing car (a Lister, I think it was) and it went all the way to the high court where the Judge basically told them off, saying that in effect both were claiming an impossibility, that there was somehow complete clarity that THEIR car was right, and the other wrong, when history had evidently introduced shades of grey. That they should accept that as the reality (and grow up!).

He summed up with words to the effect of "why are you even here? this could, and should, have been settled over a decent lunch. Agree how your 2 cars came to be, accept that and either enjoy them, or sell them."

Their little day out to the high court will have cost both a LOTof money and ultimately didn't resolve an unresolvable issue, and probably made even more public the issue of the identity of the car/s they owned.

Rich men and their money, eh?

But in that case it was a car that had gone 2 ways, not one that appeared in a puff of smoke (much like the builder's exit......)

Al

P.S. where does the £175k figure come from? Anyone paying that for a mini (with the exception of 33EJB or the other known Monte winners) want's their bumps feeling!!!!
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Yeah that’s a big number, for £50k or less it could be something fun and evocative to play with and dare I say it… be honest about! BUT that valuation will ensure that can never happen.
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I seem to remember it sold for £61K the last time it went through, the pictures in this current ad appear to be the same ones as used that time
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