Under bonnet insulation, worth doing?

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I've always had good reports on Dynamat and companies like CMC - Bridgenorth - top Jaguar restorers use it.

It's very difficult is it not without a 'Which' style report however to make an informed decision, and one that I have to shortly make. However back to the question is it worth doing? and I believe it makes all the difference, noise is very tiring...
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But is it original ;)
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You could use sound deadening Matt you just peel off the back and stick it on warm up the metal with a heat gun
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Did this fall off the bonnet or fall apart ie disintegrate ?
snoopy64 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:28 pm Update on the Minispares bonnet triangles… they still fall apart after the first run up the road!!!
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rolesyboy wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:29 am Did this fall off the bonnet or fall apart ie disintegrate ?
snoopy64 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:28 pm Update on the Minispares bonnet triangles… they still fall apart after the first run up the road!!!
If you use aerosol adhesive, I suggest you mask up around the intended areas, as you need to give it 3 coats leaving for a few minutes between the coats and wait at least 5 mins before fitting them..or better still use the old dunlop type treacle glue in a tin, but only one coat on each side and wait 10+ minutes before fitting, too much of this glue and it will work through the felt stuff and un glue the black vinyl part...ask me how I know this :lol:
Mine where done like this 5 years ago and haven't budged since
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Hi

It has separated, the black ‘vinyl’ layer has come away from the thicker layer… it’s well and truly stuck to the bonnet!
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mk1 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:33 am But is it original ;)
Would I be correct that no minis were supplied from the factory with under bonnet insulation? if it was are there any images available?

My choice would be to fit under the bonnet with something period looking, elsewhere it's not going to be seen once carpets, seats, dash are fitted and dynamat or something with a less shiny finish could be used elsewhere. Fitting certainly does give the car a more solid feel...
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Most minis had bonnet sound deadening, it was the fiber stuff that fell to bits
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Here's my original 67
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Nick W wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:15 pm Here's my original 67
Thanks Nick that's most useful...

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Interesting that in 1980 the factory said "under bonnet insulation made little difference to noise levels inside the cabin" of a Mini....

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mab01uk wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:11 pm Interesting that in 1980 the factory said "under bonnet insulation made little difference to noise levels inside the cabin" of a Mini....

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Very interesting article, in a way it is understandable why the bonnet would not help in reducing cabin noise but will certainly feel more weighty and less 'tinny' sounding. I wonder why they didn't fit soundproofing on the rear bulkhead (behind the upright seat back) or to the rear quarters and doors, I'm sure the door closing would benefit from the additional weight - maybe not the performance though!
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Doors and rear quarters have that jute type soundproofing, well on early cars anyway. I’ve seen that black perforated sticky pads stuck to them on later cars .. those strange wind up window varieties .

Even the headlining had soundproof strips laid in between the metal frames and also another stuck to the roof.

I’ve never bothered with the bonnet insulation, Minis are inherently noisy no matter what we do to them. All part of the appeal :lol:
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richardACS wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:34 pm
mab01uk wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:11 pm Interesting that in 1980 the factory said "under bonnet insulation made little difference to noise levels inside the cabin" of a Mini....
Very interesting article, in a way it is understandable why the bonnet would not help in reducing cabin noise but will certainly feel more weighty and less 'tinny' sounding. I wonder why they didn't fit soundproofing on the rear bulkhead (behind the upright seat back) or to the rear quarters and doors, I'm sure the door closing would benefit from the additional weight - maybe not the performance though!
I am guessing they never fitted soundproofing on the rear bulkhead (behind the upright seat back) as the rear seat back padding was effectively a layer of soundproofing for the rear bulkhead? As can be seen in the Ad for the 1980's "Quiet Minis" they did start fitting a thick padded rear parcel shelf trim. I seem to remember the insulated rear parcel shelf was "quietly" dropped a few years later probably during the usual cost reductions.
As most Minis leak into the front floorpans at some point.....the black rubber backed/thick foam insulation under the carpets and behind the carpet on the front wheel arches did a very good job of acting like a wet sponge and accelerating the rusting process!
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So… re sticking the black vinyl has only been partially successful, now stuck (no pun) with the felt firmly fixed to the bonnet and the vinyl peeling. I wonder if rolling it up to ship it didn’t help? Maybe the original glue wasn’t good in sheer?
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I’ve just fitted some to LFF. Along with a bulkhead blanket it’s made a significant improvement to noise. And the bonnet now has a lovely solid feel to it. I will also use some felt on the doors, rear quarters and inside the roof.
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Personally, after I had the under bonnet insulation in a Ferrari 330 GT catch fire when it backfired, I'd take a bit of drumming over scorch marks any day. I imagine a Mini one would fairly soon become oily and 'petroly' and ready to catch, especially if it droops over time (as was part of the problem on the 330).

Luckily there is a starting procedure for then that meant damage was limited and I got the fire out quickly. Always keep an extinguisher handy fellas!

So back to the original question - is it worth it? I'd say 'no'

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