Has the electric car bubble burst?

[Peter Laidler]

Another well thought out breath of fresh air from 111Robin. Just sufficient words to carry the day as well............

[rolesyboy]

I concede. You were right. The whole EV thing is a joke. Poor infrastructure and reliability proving appalling after just 4000 miles. The Tesla would not hold charge this morning and the RAC are useless so I had to dismantle it myself. Turns out there’s not much to it after all and completely debunked all this crap about lithium and moving parts. Pics to follow.

[rolesyboy]

Pics as promised. Feckin EV’s eh

[Exminiman]

Pics as promised. Feckin EV’s eh

At least they put a Duracell in, could of been even worse

[mab01uk]

Britain explores a crackdown on brake and tyre wear emissions.....
"Drivers risk being forced to pay a “tyre tax” as Britain explores a crackdown on brake and tyre wear emissions.
Ministers have hired advisers to explore how to address harmful emissions that experts say are more harmful than diesel fumes.
The Department for Transport has asked consultancy Arup to “develop recommendations on how to better assess and control these emissions which will persist after a transition to zero tailpipe emission vehicles”, according to a Government filing.
Although the Whitehall officials this weekend insisted that Arup’s work was not designed to inform tax policy, it is being seen as one of the strongest signals yet that a tyre tax is coming down the road.
Andy Turbefield, head of quality at Halfords, said: “Putting a tax on road safety is not the right way to plug the fuel duty gap. Worn tyres and faulty brakes are two of the biggest causes of accidents.
“As it is, many motorists are delaying tyre replacement and basic maintenance because of the cost-of-living crisis. Using the tax system to penalise people for keeping their vehicles in a roadworthy condition is not a good policy.”
Tyre and brake wear pollution is expected to be the next battleground for clean air campaigners after drivers switch to electric vehicles.
Particles sent into the air – known as “particulate matter (PM) 2.5” – are more harmful than nox emissions that have been the target of low-emissions zones such as Sadiq Khan’s Ulez in London.
Although tyre technology has developed to reduce dangerous emissions, the Environment Department said last week that non-exhaust road emissions have “remained largely unchanged between 1996 and 2021”
Mr Turbefield added: “If taxing non-exhaust emission is to be considered, then there needs to be more research into emissions from road surface wear. It’s plausible that electric vehicles, which are much heavier than petrol vehicles, cause more damage to road surfaces and are therefore a bigger source of road surface emissions. Any review needs to take account of the big picture.”
A Government spokesman said: “We want to better understand the impacts of non-exhaust emissions, such as tyres, on the environment which is why we’re conducting research on the matter. This research was not commissioned to inform tax policy development.
“As we continue to deliver on our target to meet Net Zero by 2050, we are committed to keeping the switch to electric vehicles affordable to consumers, which is why we are spending billions to help incentivise uptake and fund the rollout of charging infrastructure across the UK.”
In May Professor Alastair Lewis, chairman of the Department for Transport Science Advisory Council, said: “When everybody owns a low emissions vehicle, low emission zones become a toothless control lever to try to manage air pollution."
“A world where we [have] jam-packed roads full of electric cars [also] isn’t a particularly attractive one… Even if they are electric, [they] will generate lots of particles.”
“At some point in the future when most of those cars have disappeared, a different form of air pollution control” is likely to be needed, he added.
“We do have to project forward about how we’re going to manage vehicles in large cities like London in the future when we have a largely electrified fleet of vehicles.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... emissions/

[mk1coopers]

I wouldn't be to happy paying a 'tyre tax' when 2 weeks ago I had to replace 2 perfectly good tyres due to damage from a pot hole on a poorly maintained road, even after filling in all the (extensive) forms for the local authority all I got back was 'Section 58', we had done all that we should of this was the reason, from the start of this thread, that I had a Nissan leaf for a week.

[Costafortune]

Aren't Tesla being sued by a government over lying about range?

A mate has an electric Kia co.car. He isn't paying a grand or whatever to install a home charger for a car he doesn't own so you need to find a charge point. In Cheltenham this appears to be a bit of a problem. You get to one and assuming the charger works and the cable hasn't been chopped off (that always makes me chuckle), there is always a queue and apparently Teslas using non Tesla charging points (?)

He went for a Kia on the basis of Kia being a proper car company and whilst it drives well, charging it is just a pain in the arse.

Values of used electric cars are dropping significantly now as potential buyers are waking up to the reality.

[Costafortune]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk ... s-23963330#

He sounds like a dick, he drove it until "the engine went bang", probably would wreck an EV just the same. £2k per year warranty, seriously ?.

No, JLR stuff really is absolute junk.

EV's will be the same other mass produced electrical goods - cheap junk, cheap junk with a nice badge/price tag and then decent stuff.

[rolesyboy]

Aren't Tesla being sued by a government over lying about range?

A mate has an electric Kia co.car. He isn't paying a grand or whatever to install a home charger for a car he doesn't own so you need to find a charge point. In Cheltenham this appears to be a bit of a problem. You get to one and assuming the charger works and the cable hasn't been chopped off (that always makes me chuckle), there is always a queue and apparently Teslas using non Tesla charging points (?)

He went for a Kia on the basis of Kia being a proper car company and whilst it drives well, charging it is just a pain in the arse.

Values of used electric cars are dropping significantly now as potential buyers are waking up to the reality.

Dunno. I am not aware of any substantive efforts to sue by the government?? Is this happening? Is it in the UK?
Maybe Tesla have under reported ? The warm weather seems to be increasing my range by the day....
I know VW (and lots of other ICE manufacturers) faced legal challenges on emissions a while back.

I haven't found a chopped off cable yet. I hope its not any forum members with a grudge against EV's
If he won't pay for a charging point that's a choice he's made. The EV chargepoint grant provides funding of up to 75% towards the cost of installing electric vehicle smart chargepoints at domestic properties across the UK. Presumably he's in it for a while so probably beneficial in the middle-long term.

Teslas using non Tesla charging points. That's shocking. Surely there must be some kind of by-law that a Tesla driver is obligated to only use Tesla charge points. As an absolute minimum if a Tesla owner is found using these sites the local authorities should impound their cars and the Kia owners, and whoever else has the God-given right to these charge points, should publicly chop the ends of their charging cables off. That would sort this National Crisis out.

Re Values of electric cars dropping off?? That is almost inevitable for any mainstream vehicle as more and more EV's come on to the market.
I don't believe its a case of buyers waking up to the reality. Its based on fleets buying masses of cars and reaching the end of leasing agreements.
There will be a glut of EVs which are 3-5 years old by now as they reach the end of term. In the same way your new 3 series or Honda does 3-5 years after the launch of a new model. Granted the fact that EV's bucked the typical trend and retained their value so well in the first few years is an impressive feat.

Personally I haven't found charging a PITA. Just push a plug in to a socket, be it 3 pin 13a, home charger or at a Charging station?? I still haven't found myself flustered or in any kind of blind panic in 4 months.
We roll....

[Peter Laidler]

Ah........ Good response from Roly (above) except that at the end of the last sentence, you missed out the last word. '......YET'

That's because while it's all bright and shining at the moment, as sure as god made little green apples, as most other EV drivers have found out and are deserting them in droves, there will be charging problems.........., usually when you ain't at home!