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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:35 pm 
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For anyone interested (& without too many scruples about copyright), "For the love of cars" is available to download from a well known Piratey torrent site.


yes please! :D



The biggest problem I have with Wheeler Dealer - along with 95% of all U.S. reality shows, is that the entire premise of the show is about making profit margins. The cars (or antiques, or motorcycles, or whatever) is entirely secondary. They may talk about the item's history, but it always comes back to "how much profit did I make?" and it's pathetic.

First off, it's not all about profit to many of us, and secondly it's a shill because the stars of the show are fabulously wealthy and the shop and show obviously aren't funded by the profits of their TV projects. It's not reality in any sense of the word..


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:51 pm 
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The biggest problem I have with Wheeler Dealer - along with 95% of all U.S. reality shows, is that the entire premise of the show is about making profit margins. The cars (or antiques, or motorcycles, or whatever) is entirely secondary.


I see (or saw) Wheeler Dealers very differently. The name of the show tells you up front that their intent is to flip a car without losing money. Of course they have to sell the car at the end. They could not possibly keep every car for their own collections and they never present the show as history or a documentary. Their focus on DIY repairs of relatively affordable cars deviates markedly from the American shows where 8 "specialists" jump on a car and miraculously end up with something to sell at Barrett-Jackson at the end of 2 weeks.

Later Wheeler Dealer episodes started mentioning the hours of work involved in a project. When you factor in Edd's time they have not made a dime (no matter how many times Mike refers to their "tidy profit"). Instead of being about profit, I see Wheeler Dealers as a DIY show about fixing affordable, older cars so you can enjoy them. Consider how many times you have heard Edd say "If you took this to a specialist you could expect to pay XXX GBP for the repair so doing it yourself can save you a lot of money". I cannot think of an episode where I didn't hear him say something along that line. Compare that to shows like FantomWorks where the (sometimes misinformed) host spends an episode telling you how everyone who worked on the car before him was an idiot and then explains to the car owner what a great deal he/she got by letting FantomWorks "restore" their Chevy for $100,000.

I agree that reality TV is heavily scripted with false suspense and challenges. I never put Wheeler Dealers in that category. I put it more in the realm of EARLY episodes of "This Old House".

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:34 pm 
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I see your point, DK but why does a car show (or similar) have to be about profit at all? Not saying they have to keep the vehicles, but the farcical charade that is the "profit" part of the show is completely unnecessary. Just give me a nice show about the history of a certain collector car, detail it's restoration or work done and move on.

That was the premise of great U.K. shows like "For the Love of Cars," and "A Car is Reborn." that delve into the entire process of restoring a car and pay great respect to the car's history itself, rather than whatever imaginary profit was made.


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I regret that I have never seen "For the Love of Cars," and "A Car is Reborn." From your description they sound very much like the type of show I would enjoy.

I also see your point about why there is a need for such shows to be about profit at all. However, at least with Wheeler Dealers" the name alerts you up front that some portion of the show will be about money. I always took the "sale" part of the show with a grain of salt and paid more attention to the tips Edd offered.

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dklawson wrote:
I regret that I have never seen "For the Love of Cars," and "A Car is Reborn." From your description they sound very much like the type of show I would enjoy.


The 'Is Born' Series are available on DVD......sadly Discovery cannned the series before Mark Evans could feature the Mini as a workshop project. :cry:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Born-DVD-Mark- ... B0002Z9X6K


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dklawson wrote:
I regret that I have never seen "For the Love of Cars," and "A Car is Reborn." From your description they sound very much like the type of show I would enjoy.


The 'Is Born' Series are available on DVD......sadly Discovery cannned the series before Mark Evans could feature the Mini as a workshop project. :cry:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Born-DVD-Mark- ... B0002Z9X6K



Yep, it's a shame. I previously owned a Series 1 E-Type, so I bought a DVD copy from Mark's site as it's entertaining and informative. A lot of the tips he gives really apply to restoring any car though, it's good stuff.

I suppose if networks made shows to appeal purely to classic car enthusiasts, no sponsors would pay for advertising, but it's refreshing to see that attempts have been made at decent car shows in the past.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:40 am 
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one funny thing I have encountered is how many car dealers actually think that the wheeler dealer scenario ,would be a good Idea to do for real
they put up a few grand and play on the interweb...whilst you grind all the rust out and spend 3 weeks repairing and filling and painting ,then rebuild everything ready for them to sell.... :?

no wonder Edds off :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:43 am 
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Wheeler Dealers was ALWAYS about spinning a car round and selling it for a "profit". That's how it came about. It was originally a section in another program about doing stuff that could make you money. I can't remember the name of it now.

It was brilliant (y funny) in the very early days, because they were buying truly horrid cars & tarting them up to flog, no pretence of "restoration" at all. It was all about a cheap fix & move it on. I don't think they ever did newspaper in the sills, but it was bloody close sometimes :)

As has been said, if you take man hours into account they rarely made any money at all. Something that we can, I am sure all relate to :)

It has become more involved in "restoration" over the last few years, but the emphasis has always been a sort of "how to do it" approach. This was its unique selling point. If this really is to be lost, then it's a real shame. But this is certainly the way it has been going in the last couple of series & I suspect Edd realised this.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:18 am 
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mk1 wrote:
Wheeler Dealers was ALWAYS about spinning a car round and selling it for a "profit". That's how it came about. It was originally a section in another program about doing stuff that could make you money. I can't remember the name of it now.

It was brilliant (y funny) in the very early days, because they were buying truly horrid cars & tarting them up to flog, no pretence of "restoration" at all. It was all about a cheap fix & move it on. I don't think they ever did newspaper in the sills, but it was bloody close sometimes :)


I think the programe was 'Deals on Wheels'?

"Deals on Wheels was a British television series originally shown by United Kingdom TV channel Channel 4, fronted by Mike Brewer and Richard Sutton. The original run of the series was between 1997 and 2001. there were 5 seasons. For season 1 the show was set in a fictional garage. Season 2 was set in a different garage but for seasons 3 and 4, the show was set in an ally garage but on a fictional street. Richard Sutton left the show in 2000 leaving Mike Brewer to continue the show. It was cancelled in 2001 to make way for Wheeler Dealers."
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/deal ... ode-guide/
http://mikebrewer.tv/other-motoring/

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:21 am 
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That's the one!

Thanks Mab

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