'Oldest' MK1 Mini rediscovered........
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'Oldest' MK1 Mini rediscovered........
434 NWL has recently re-appeared:-
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One of the earliest production Minis – widely believed to the world’s oldest – has been rediscovered by a classic car fan on Merseyside.
George Smith bought 434 NWL, a 1959 Morris Mini Minor MK1 car earlier this year, and was unaware of its history as a Cowley test car which later went on become a newspaper competition and a star exhibit at the former Alton Towers car museum.
The Liverpool enthusiast told CCfS: “Originally I was bidding for it online on behalf of a friend, but after he backed out I decided to carry on bidding anyway because it was such a lovely old car, and ended up winning the auction for £2,000.
“I knew it was an early MK1 but I didn’t realise just how much history it had behind it.”
The car, the 40th Morris Mini Minor when it rolled off the Cowley production line in May 1959, was used by engineers as a test car for the first three years of its life, before being sold to a BMC employee, the late Bernard Ferriman, who owned it until the mid 1980s.
Due to its chassis number it made a string of appearances billed as the world’s oldest Mini – including appearing on TV alongside Noel Edmonds – before given away as a prize in a competition by the Today newspaper. Later in this life it spent a decade as one of the stars of the former car museum at Alton Towers, but disappeared after being auctioned in 1999 and then passing through a series of different owners.
The car, which has already been given a new shell and is not yet in running condition, is currently being stored by Suffolk specialists The East Anglia Mini Centre.
A spokesman for the centre said: “Mr Smith got in touch with us about the car after he bought it online a few weeks ago, and as it was a car local to us we collected it on his behalf.
“The car’s been in our storage facilities for about six weeks, and we hope to be able to restore it later this year.”
The oldest known surviving Mini, registered 621 AOK, has been fully restored, while the oldest unrestored example, registered XLL 27, sold for more than £40,000 at auction last year.
BY DAVID SIMISTER
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/new ... iscovered/
The late 'Taffy' posted these old tv clips that I had recorded on videotape about this Mini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw43PJV8WDE
Quote from Trevor Ripley 1959 Mini Register:
"This is known as the 'Ferriman' car. The description on the old video by Noel Edmonds is far from accurate. The car came off the production line at Cowley on 20th May 1959 bearing chassis number 140. It was LHD and was allocated to the experimental dept for proving tests and re-allocated with another number. After a couple of years when they had finished with it it was converted to RHD and sold to Bernard Ferriman who worked for BMC. It was then re-allocated yet another chassis number 98. This re-allocation of numbers occured with a few cars that were plucked off the line for testing and then subsiquently sold off 2nd hand to employees. ( They went backwards from 101 ).
Anyway this car was used by Bernard Ferriman well into the late 1980's. Eventually it was bought by Today Newspapers and after being 'restored' by Penta Garages in Reading was used as a competition prize in the Today newspaper. Amazingly the first prize of the competition was 434 NWL along with a brand new mini. The lucky winners of the two cars were Lindsay and Cathy Bromage. Cathy used the new one as her everyday car and 434 NWL ended up on display in a small museum at Alton Towers. In 1999 the Bromages decieded to sell it and it was entered in Sotherby's auction. I was very interested in buying the car at the time but after consulting Sotherbys it turned out that it seemed to have been re shelled and I decided against it. It made just short of £3000.
Many years later I made contact with Lindsay Bromage to see if he new the whereabouts of the car, but unfortunately he did not.
It certainly was an early and interesting car, although not really original. The 1959 Mini Register do not know its whereabouts now.
It was certainly an early car but by no means as early as it says on the video.
It would be very interesting to know its present whereabouts. It is on the DVLA database, but unlicensed since 1988."
(Miniworld Summer 2011)
The Oldest Surviving Mini? - old TMF thread:
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... ving-mini/
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One of the earliest production Minis – widely believed to the world’s oldest – has been rediscovered by a classic car fan on Merseyside.
George Smith bought 434 NWL, a 1959 Morris Mini Minor MK1 car earlier this year, and was unaware of its history as a Cowley test car which later went on become a newspaper competition and a star exhibit at the former Alton Towers car museum.
The Liverpool enthusiast told CCfS: “Originally I was bidding for it online on behalf of a friend, but after he backed out I decided to carry on bidding anyway because it was such a lovely old car, and ended up winning the auction for £2,000.
“I knew it was an early MK1 but I didn’t realise just how much history it had behind it.”
The car, the 40th Morris Mini Minor when it rolled off the Cowley production line in May 1959, was used by engineers as a test car for the first three years of its life, before being sold to a BMC employee, the late Bernard Ferriman, who owned it until the mid 1980s.
Due to its chassis number it made a string of appearances billed as the world’s oldest Mini – including appearing on TV alongside Noel Edmonds – before given away as a prize in a competition by the Today newspaper. Later in this life it spent a decade as one of the stars of the former car museum at Alton Towers, but disappeared after being auctioned in 1999 and then passing through a series of different owners.
The car, which has already been given a new shell and is not yet in running condition, is currently being stored by Suffolk specialists The East Anglia Mini Centre.
A spokesman for the centre said: “Mr Smith got in touch with us about the car after he bought it online a few weeks ago, and as it was a car local to us we collected it on his behalf.
“The car’s been in our storage facilities for about six weeks, and we hope to be able to restore it later this year.”
The oldest known surviving Mini, registered 621 AOK, has been fully restored, while the oldest unrestored example, registered XLL 27, sold for more than £40,000 at auction last year.
BY DAVID SIMISTER
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/new ... iscovered/
The late 'Taffy' posted these old tv clips that I had recorded on videotape about this Mini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw43PJV8WDE
Quote from Trevor Ripley 1959 Mini Register:
"This is known as the 'Ferriman' car. The description on the old video by Noel Edmonds is far from accurate. The car came off the production line at Cowley on 20th May 1959 bearing chassis number 140. It was LHD and was allocated to the experimental dept for proving tests and re-allocated with another number. After a couple of years when they had finished with it it was converted to RHD and sold to Bernard Ferriman who worked for BMC. It was then re-allocated yet another chassis number 98. This re-allocation of numbers occured with a few cars that were plucked off the line for testing and then subsiquently sold off 2nd hand to employees. ( They went backwards from 101 ).
Anyway this car was used by Bernard Ferriman well into the late 1980's. Eventually it was bought by Today Newspapers and after being 'restored' by Penta Garages in Reading was used as a competition prize in the Today newspaper. Amazingly the first prize of the competition was 434 NWL along with a brand new mini. The lucky winners of the two cars were Lindsay and Cathy Bromage. Cathy used the new one as her everyday car and 434 NWL ended up on display in a small museum at Alton Towers. In 1999 the Bromages decieded to sell it and it was entered in Sotherby's auction. I was very interested in buying the car at the time but after consulting Sotherbys it turned out that it seemed to have been re shelled and I decided against it. It made just short of £3000.
Many years later I made contact with Lindsay Bromage to see if he new the whereabouts of the car, but unfortunately he did not.
It certainly was an early and interesting car, although not really original. The 1959 Mini Register do not know its whereabouts now.
It was certainly an early car but by no means as early as it says on the video.
It would be very interesting to know its present whereabouts. It is on the DVLA database, but unlicensed since 1988."
(Miniworld Summer 2011)
The Oldest Surviving Mini? - old TMF thread:
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... ving-mini/
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Really good story untill you get to the 'already been given a new shell' bit then it sort of looses its interest , hope its not in a heritage shell
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It had its ID given to a 63/4 Super De-Luxe in the 80''s as part of it's restoration after Bernard Ferriman sold it, before being given away by the Today news paper. It re-emerged in May this year when George phoned me up having won an eBay auction for an unfinished project part restored MK2. Only after buying it and collecting it did they discover it had 434 NWL's V5c. He was unaware of the significance of the number until the chap at East Anglia Mini Centre told him he'd bought a genuine original prototype Mini.
Trevor, Peter F and I all met up with him in June at Tatton Hall where he brought along the paperwork.
I spoke to David Simister a couple of weeks ago when he phoned me over it, I told him the story and by and large what he's printed in Classic car weekley is actuate if a little sensationalist.
So 434 NWL is on its 2nd shell and retains no single part of the original car. It's now a MK2 with some random MK1,2 & 3 parts.
George knows exactly what he has and is planning to sell it.
Trevor, Peter F and I all met up with him in June at Tatton Hall where he brought along the paperwork.
I spoke to David Simister a couple of weeks ago when he phoned me over it, I told him the story and by and large what he's printed in Classic car weekley is actuate if a little sensationalist.
So 434 NWL is on its 2nd shell and retains no single part of the original car. It's now a MK2 with some random MK1,2 & 3 parts.
George knows exactly what he has and is planning to sell it.
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The owner of "the car" a really nice bloke but as for the above story ? The opening line itself is in effect a complete distortion of the truth, the kind of reportage that drives most people nuts. At best the buff logbook has been "rediscovered", the car itself is no more, as Bill says, it's two completely different cars. I feel a 'Dead Parrot' skit coming on....mab01uk wrote: 434 NWL has recently re-appeared:-
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One of the earliest production Minis – widely believed to the world’s oldest – has been rediscovered by a classic car fan on Merseyside.
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So was it Penta Garages in Reading who restored it for the Today newspaper by re-shelling?
Hopefully today it would have been restored properly.......sadly back in the late 1980's I guess it was considered uneconomic to repair the shell of an old Mini just for a newspaper competition.
Hopefully today it would have been restored properly.......sadly back in the late 1980's I guess it was considered uneconomic to repair the shell of an old Mini just for a newspaper competition.
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Be nice to restore the car as it should be . be a nice project when and if it comes for sale again ??
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It's not been restored , it's not the same car, not one single nut, bolt or screw. Am I not putting this plainly enough, this parrot is deceased !
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Yes MAB it was Penta who put the id on the SDL. Complete with monotone interior, recessed screen shell the lot. They literally screwed the chassis and number plates off the original NWL in to a donor car. Since then as Pete says even the MK1 SDL has gone. There is nothing even MK1 let alone NWL left of the original car.
It's not possible to restore a car from a V5 only possible to recreate a replica. Something I said I would consider doing openly if it were mine. Then everyone would know it was built from a log book then they could make their own mind up about it.
As Pete says when we met him at Tatton he was a nice guy who really didn't know what to do with it. Now he wants a financial reward for his find so will sell it for as much as he can.
Pete can verify having held in his hand what remains of the car him self that the only original part of that motor fits inside an envelop. Well the be quite fair, the heritage cert is obviously not 59, neither is the V5 and even the chassis plate wasn't issued until 1962! So nothing from 59 at all let alone 25th May 59!!
It is an EX Parrot!!!! deceased, no more, squawked its last squawk, gone to meet its maker.
It's not possible to restore a car from a V5 only possible to recreate a replica. Something I said I would consider doing openly if it were mine. Then everyone would know it was built from a log book then they could make their own mind up about it.
As Pete says when we met him at Tatton he was a nice guy who really didn't know what to do with it. Now he wants a financial reward for his find so will sell it for as much as he can.
Pete can verify having held in his hand what remains of the car him self that the only original part of that motor fits inside an envelop. Well the be quite fair, the heritage cert is obviously not 59, neither is the V5 and even the chassis plate wasn't issued until 1962! So nothing from 59 at all let alone 25th May 59!!
It is an EX Parrot!!!! deceased, no more, squawked its last squawk, gone to meet its maker.
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One thing I never understood, was this NWL being a prototype older than AOK, and in the same meaning, was it the plain oldest?
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It was the 40th production Morris built 25th May. It spent 3 years in the experimental department at Cowley. During that time it was renumbered 380 then in 1962 sold 2nd hand to Cowley worker Berrard Ferriman. As part of its sale to him it was renumbered again 98. Hence people wrongly thinking it was an earlier car that chassis number 101 (621 AOK). Chassis numbers 100,99,98,97 & 96 were all issued after 101. No 96 as late as 1968. 97 was the Cooper Prototype, it lists the original car number in that entry in the records.
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I spent the last 10 minutes to learn, where the word anorak comes from
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Anorak (def)
For the benefit of our non UK readers the meaning of calling someone an Anorak is something like this.
In the UK we have a breed of fanatic called "Train Spotters" these are the people who sit on the end of railway platforms noting the train numbers down in a small notebook. What they do with these numbers is beyond me. They are however absolutely obsessive collectors who know every tiny quirk of their chosen subject. As it is often cold in the UK, these Train Spotters can often be seen wearing a warm padded jacket called an Anorak.
This padded jacket has become universally recognised as an indication of any sort of obsessive collector.
Hence, someone with an obsessive interest in any subject is called "An Anorak".
Hope this makes sense, and doesn't just make you think that the Brits are even more bonkers than you thought we were.
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For the benefit of our non UK readers the meaning of calling someone an Anorak is something like this.
In the UK we have a breed of fanatic called "Train Spotters" these are the people who sit on the end of railway platforms noting the train numbers down in a small notebook. What they do with these numbers is beyond me. They are however absolutely obsessive collectors who know every tiny quirk of their chosen subject. As it is often cold in the UK, these Train Spotters can often be seen wearing a warm padded jacket called an Anorak.
This padded jacket has become universally recognised as an indication of any sort of obsessive collector.
Hence, someone with an obsessive interest in any subject is called "An Anorak".
Hope this makes sense, and doesn't just make you think that the Brits are even more bonkers than you thought we were.
Mark F