Can We All Take Stock About Our Knowledge

General Chat with an emphasis on BMC Minis & Other iconic cars of the 1960's. Includes information on MK1 Action days.
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Can We All Take Stock About Our Knowledge

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This forum is about camaraderie, company and most of all should be about connecting fellow BMC people with each other. One point I would wish to make, there are no experts on this forum, and like me most people have gained knowledge over the years like many. The point I’m making is I’ve friends who have no linkage with the World Wide Web and what they do not know about BMC cars could be written on a £1.00 postage stamp.

Can we all acknowledge that there are an enormous number of people not writing on forums who have massive knowledge far and above what any of us hold?

Do we want this forum to become a platform for specialist consultants?

I’m one of those people who believe everyday we learn something and after 50 years involved with BMC history, I’m lost like so many researchers I have had dealing with over the years.

And to those people who believe they have all the records in hand, I say in your dreams. :D

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Not quite sure what your point is Alan, if there are people out there that have knowledge that others don't (with the evidence to back it up) they should be encouraged to share (in a non confrontational way) as they too may learn something.

We all have different levels of knowledge, unless information is confidential (for what ever reason) then there is no point in keeping it all to yourself (who ever you are) if it can help others, sharing information freely is what I've often seen done by many people on this Forum over the years, that's what makes it so good :)
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mk1coopers wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:40 am Not quite sure what your point is Alan ...
Me either. I've read the post a few times and can't work out if Alan is criticising or endorsing the current climate of this forum. :?

Hopefully Alan will explain further.
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I'm not sure who this is really addressed to ...all I can say is if Alan's friends have so much knowledge, then how do we ask them questions?.
I've got loads of them :roll:
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Well Alan’s started a thread and you have bitten like me , I suppose that what forums are. Is the thread for or against or just neutral, some people will explain.Peter
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I too am unsure as to the meaning of your post Alan, as it's a bit ambiguous.

I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who, for whatever reason, do not use the internet or choose to correct any incorrect information or add information on forums. Some forums I can understand as the levels are not to our standard, in my opinion. :shock:

However, it's a great shame that they do not. I've often thought that people should write down and share their memoirs or knowledge, as it will sure as anything end up being taken to their grave if they do not and a great opportunity to right things, that have thus far been generally accepted as correct. As has been said before, any new conflicting information really needs to be backed up with proof, or it will just end up being another unsubstantiated, personal opinion.

There must be thousands of people still out there who worked on the BMC/BL production lines who could give us an insight into the day to day running of the shop floor and why there's so many anomalies with our cars.

So let's start 2021 with some fact corrections Alan :D
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I started this thread last night with a view to encourage more members to use their experience knowledge to help answer and add to interesting posts. The above is what I told a member of this forum when he sent me a private message saying that he had an interesting story he would have liked to have added to the 1275cc block thread. He detailed to me what he found but said he did not feel confident about posting it on the Mk1 forum in case all the experts disbelieved him and rubbished what he said.

I don’t for one moment doubt what he told me and in fact I got the same find back in 2011.

The bloke was very good at making his point in writing but I’m sure there are many others who lack the confidence to write replies to posts they deem to be written by experts that is my point.

I’m positive about this forum and want to see more members contributing with self-belief instead of just reading stuff that they too know about.

I’m going to add what this bloke told me in the 1275 block thread and this is what he wrote and as I said I’ve no reason to doubt his story.

“Last August, I bought a 1974 Austin Allegro from a neighbour who’s family had owned it from new. I wanted the complete engine for my 1974 1275 GT. When a friend and I dismantled it I couldn’t believe what I found. The engine had a 12G1505 1817 crank, 12G1298/9 1300 GT Innocenti Cooper rods, high compression pistons and wait for it, much as it had a 9 stud cylinder head, the block was bored for 11 studs. The gearbox also had a 3.65 final drive which suited my 12-inch wheels I’m using. This story may sound far fetched but I assure you it is true”

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Supersonic wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:39 pm The point I’m making is I’ve friends who have no linkage with the World Wide Web and what they do not know about BMC cars could be written on a £1.00 postage stamp.
Can we all acknowledge that there are an enormous number of people not writing on forums who have massive knowledge far and above what any of us hold?
That could be said to be true of any specialist subject. In the world of classic and race Minis I have met many people who have vast knowledge and experience who choose not to share it in any form, (World Wide Web or otherwise) and others who are open to sharing everything they know to help others. Sometimes if that knowledge is related to a business or motorsport advantage it is understandable that they are not going to give away the hard won knowledge that gives them that competitive advantage.

Many of the people who have first hand knowledge of the early days of Mini racing, tuning and production who actually worked on the BMC/BL production lines and who as Andrew says "could give us an insight into the day to day running of the shop floor and why there's so many anomalies with our cars," are of an age who don't use the internet, social media or forums to any great degree. I certainly know some of the Mini racers from the 1960/70's who have great stories, knowledge and photo collections which would be a great source of historic and general interest here but unfortunately could soon be lost. Not much we can often do about that but if you do know anyone in that position just try to ensure all their 'stuff' does not end up in a skip or down the council tip one day because no one close realised it was worth keeping. Think what happened to most of John Cooper's Rover Cooper conversions history & records in the fairly recent past....all documents that MCR Rover Cooper Register would value now were skipped.

The classic car world of Minis and BMC cars like many other 'hobbies and interests' also has its fair share of 'eccentric oddball' characters who like to collect documents, rare parts and cars and hide them away in private collections away from others until they eventually 'fall off the perch' and it all comes up again in auction lots or ends up in a skip. Sometimes this saves rare cars and items that nobody once wanted for future generations but sadly sometimes when the collecting obsession gets out of hand what eventually comes to light are rotting classic cars in a field or barn well past economic restoration that the owner refuses to sell....(watch 'American Pickers' series on TV for many examples in the USA !) :lol:
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Supersonic wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:14 pm I’m going to add what this bloke told me in the 1275 block thread and this is what he wrote and as I said I’ve no reason to doubt his story.

“Last August, I bought a 1974 Austin Allegro from a neighbour who’s family had owned it from new. I wanted the complete engine for my 1974 1275 GT. When a friend and I dismantled it I couldn’t believe what I found. The engine had a 12G1505 1817 crank, 12G1298/9 1300 GT Innocenti Cooper rods, high compression pistons and wait for it, much as it had a 9 stud cylinder head, the block was bored for 11 studs. The gearbox also had a 3.65 final drive which suited my 12-inch wheels I’m using. This story may sound far fetched but I assure you it is true”
Alan
To be honest this would not surprise me, and I am sure would not surprise anyone who has worked in a manufacturing environment. If the pressure is on to get something out of the door and you have material shortages, you will use what you can lay your hands on to get it out.......

As long as it works at the time, no one cares, until some one with an official spec sheet (BOM) , checks it 40 years later.....
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Andrew1967 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:36 am There must be thousands of people still out there who worked on the BMC/BL production lines who could give us an insight into the day to day running of the shop floor and why there's so many anomalies with our cars.
These sites below can be useful for interesting BMC/BL factory shopfloor history, information and photos even if not a member or FB subscriber.

Cowley Works - Employees Past and Present
If you work or worked at Cowley, please introduce yourself and let us know when you worked there and what you did or do.
(Tanya Field is a well known Mini enthusiast with connection to Cowley and the current MINI Plant).
https://www.facebook.com/groups/cowleyworks//

Austin Ex-Apprentices Association - unofficial
https://en-gb.facebook.com/pg/AustinExA ... ial/posts/

Rover Group - Ex Longbridge Workers
(Private and restricted to workers)
https://en-gb.facebook.com/groups/12678420357/
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