New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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I'm not speaking out of turn saying that things are moving on apace on this one at the moment.

Any news or updates will be available here first.
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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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Is mini spares remaking the thick or tin flange S block?

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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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Hi Nev
I hope it is not in tin :D :D

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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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Although there's supposedly a few in 'the works' (There's one 'coming' from Department D) none as yet have surfaced, so it would be nice to get some on the shelf. Given prices for classic cars, even at perceived high prices, they will sell, albeit, in lower volumes. If I can suggest if you do go down this path, when having your patterns made, give some consideration to alternative tappet chest configurations so that at a later point, ordinary 1275 blocks could also be cast as they are thinning out for sure, but don't base them on those shit A+ Blocks, but the series just before them.

I'd say there would be a good market for the AEG163 and here again, if I can suggest, perhaps offer them in 2 configurations, one as per factory and they other as per Daniel Richmond's recommendation to BMC so they'd be much less likely to crack. This I feel could somewhat be easily accommodated by having alternate Exhaust Port cores.

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This is one of the MS casting proofs, it was on display at the IMM last year. The only thing that has slowed it down is COVID.

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I was going to suggest the mod on the 163 suggested above by Spider.
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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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Thanks For the reply, that is certainly something we will consider and hance the reasons for th einitial post, you guys are the experts on these engines and I have been out of the scene for some considerable tim, so it is good to hear everyones thoughts as we move forward

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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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mk1 wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:18 am
This is one of the MS casting proofs, it was on display at the IMM last year. The only thing that has slowed it down is COVID.

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I was going to suggest the mod on the 163 suggested above by Spider.
I stood at that stand and talked to one of the guys behind the table at length about the new blocks. He was sure that the casting was about to commence in iron as we (the Mini specialist business I work for) were interested in purchasing them. That was over 12 months ago now and I am yet to hear from Minispares at all regarding further progress. In fact, I suggested that they also be made available in Alloy, as the prototype pictured is. I would think they would be more popular than the iron versions.

AEG163 heads were not mentioned, but yes, it would be great to see them remanufactured, with the thicker divider wall, although I have had good results having original heads welded in that area, along with properly fitted custom made inserts. I have a number of unmodified 163 heads here in Australia that I can supply one if required for R&D.

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If nothing else it'll reduce the prices of the knackered 50+ year old shit out there. Even 30 years ago I had to buy 3 S blocks to get one good one. :lol:

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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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850man wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:00 am
mk1 wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:18 am
This is one of the MS casting proofs, it was on display at the IMM last year. The only thing that has slowed it down is COVID.

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I was going to suggest the mod on the 163 suggested above by Spider.
I stood at that stand and talked to one of the guys behind the table at length about the new blocks. He was sure that the casting was about to commence in iron as we (the Mini specialist business I work for) were interested in purchasing them. That was over 12 months ago now and I am yet to hear from Minispares at all regarding further progress. In fact, I suggested that they also be made available in Alloy, as the prototype pictured is. I would think they would be more popular than the iron versions.

AEG163 heads were not mentioned, but yes, it would be great to see them remanufactured, with the thicker divider wall, although I have had good results having original heads welded in that area, along with properly fitted custom made inserts. I have a number of unmodified 163 heads here in Australia that I can supply one if required for R&D.
Given the shrinkage differences between iron and Ali, I assume that they were not looking at using the same pattern equipment? I anyone can loan us an old block, we could price this up quite quickly in case of further delays on the one shown.

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Re: New AEG312 block and the AEG163 heads?

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As I said, delays on the MS block are mainly down to covid, when a country is pretty much shut down for 6+ months it tends to slow projects like this down a bit.

The Alloy blocks were made to check that the patterns worked OK & to work out machining protocols. Although some folks have joked about selling an alloy version, I can't see it happening. Not only is it bad engineering practice, but what the hell would you use an Alloy S block for????
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