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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:56 pm 
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Very clear-cut for me, what do others think?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:41 am 
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too mean to buy a copy .. what does it say ?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:46 pm 
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It explains that the Mini along with Landies and Midgets are the most likely to be 'logbooked'. Mainly due to length of production, possibility of tax evasion and potential higher value of earlier models.

Legitimate reshells fall into 3 categories:
New BMH shells (no hassle at all with DVLA, they don't even have to be informed.)
Older reshells using factory supplied shell. (Harder to prove if challenged unless original receipts are available).
Second hand shells which are openly on a Q plate.

This implies that any car that has been reshelled with a second hand shell should technically have been inspected at some point by the DVLA to apply a points system based on originality of parts used including the monocoque shell. This is where it gets a bit hairy as to get the 4 points for the shell you are supposed to provide a receipt from the body shell dealer. (Don't think eBay counts!
This could be a slight worry for those who reshelled legitimately in the past but with no records.

The article also usefully points out for the uninitiated the key differences to look out for to see whether a car at least has the correct type of shell for the year being claimed on the log book/V5C.
Most obvious ones around being mark 4 onwards shells bring touted as mark 1 era cars.

On the whole a useful clarification article. But the reality is there are loads of cars out there with second hand shells and I can't see them all being investigated given the continuing brisk trade of memorabilia and piles of rust on a certain site.

The article warns against the purchase of any car that falls into the 'suspect' category. There's a lot out there.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:27 pm 
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Thanks 'S'-Type for explaining the five page feature which you have summed up well. That eight page article about behind the scenes at Downton is very interesting this month. John Dorrans was from over here and worked on Freddy Heaney's Minis I recall :D :D :D

Alan


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:18 pm 
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Yes interesting article. Seems like they had fun in those days though I guess it wasn't all plain sailing. The picture with all the cylinder heads lined-up was an indicator of the scale of the operation.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:41 pm 
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There is still a bit of doubt around the interpretation of a 'straightforward' swap - something reshelled into a shell of the same age (and spec) - is this OK, or not? It seems the implication is that it's not, but how would anyone know? What would the problem be? (aside from criminal ringing etc.)


Ringing an 850 into a cooper ID and deliberately not telling a buyer it's been re-shelled is wrong as a selling practice, but does it break any laws to do so for yourself? The rule of points still applies, and the basic bare shell is demonstrably to the same spec (not talking about an '80s shell becoming a '60s car)

Is this area clarified in the article?

(this is not a loaded question, simply a query)

Al


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:43 pm 
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Load of fuss about nothing. if people had been doing it by the book on Mk1 Ss over the years most would now either be on a Q plate or wearing the chassis number and reg of a donor 850. It’s people applying for logbooks for cars they don’t actually own that’s the real problem. Who cares about reshelled cars other than when we’re buying them, and even then it shouldn’t be impossible to tell the difference if we really want original. Even then, some 'original' shells are 90% new metal. I think the wrong tree gets barked up too often.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:52 pm 
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I think that's absolutely right - the issue is not one of re-shelling (in safety terms) it's when the purpose is deception (either of a buyer or the road-tax system or to re-create a 'significant' car)

This issue is of course not limited to minis.

Do the DVLA or anyone else care if you replace the rotten shell of a 1974 mini / Escort / Jaguar etc. with another rust free one? Nope, and why should they?

Al


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:52 pm 
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1. Don't voluntarily tell DVLA anything.

2. See above.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:25 pm 
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Alternative scenarios :D
Bend it, bend it, just a little bit
And take it easy just like pieces of a
Jigsaw puzzle, what's the hustle

Or
Use it.
Bend it.
Repair it.
Use it.
Bend it.
Repair it.
Recycle or repeat over many years !!


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