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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:31 am 
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I do agree with Stu though, there is NOTHING that anyone can do to "Get kid's into classic cars".

Most of the stuff we own is about as interesting as the Hollies would be to someone who likes drum & bass.

We just have to accept that time moves on.

Most people who are into anything find their way there under their own steam & there is nothing more off putting than someone saying, like this, like this, it's really great.

I am sure that everyone has had the experience of someone recommending a good film & then proceeding to show you it, only to go "You'll love this bit" or "This is great, just watch this" every time something good happens. It spoils the experience & is enough to put anyone off for ever!

For what it's worth, I have always given Adam the opportunity to drive old cars, he learned to drive in a 1943 Willy's Jeep & is currently lucky enough to have driving privileges on his Clubman Estate, the 1300, the Moke & a 1932 MG J2. While he enjoys driving all of them & occasionally does work on them himself (and when he does he is very good). He isn't "in to" classic cars like I am. And I don't imagine he ever will be.

Car's were a totally different "thing" when I was 19. They were a way of life like they aren't today. Most young people are so worried about losing their licence, getting nicked for speeding or not being able to afford insurance to worry about anything else car wise. Cars aren't a joy nowadays, for some they are a necessity & for other mainly urban dwellers they are already a total irrelevance. Remember when we were buying Cooper S's for £200? That's when it was fun! Late middle aged dick heads who spend more on an old car that most 19 year old's will earn in the next 5 years is so removed from anything that they can relate to, is it any wonder they are not interested? !!

All we can do is give people the opportunity to enjoy our obsessions & hope that something rubs off, but as soon as we start to try & force people to love what we love we are on an absolute hiding to nothing!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:55 am 
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My son has a BMW type Cooper while his pal has a BMW type Cooper S. His pal was very impressed when son told him that his dad, me, had a Cooper S in the garage. His pal didn't even know that there was such a thing as a real Cooper S that started life even before he was born. To be honest, I don't think my son believes there was such a thing as life before him and his mates were born.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:24 am 
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the blooming things still break down though...


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mark is however very lucky, the photo showing the tow rope conected and mark pulling a 'sad face' has vanished of my phone!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:33 am 
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Ha, ha, that was when the diff collapsed :)

happy days.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:38 pm 
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My parents stretched themselves to buy a really big house in 1970 and in the 80s, when interest rates went a bit silly (and I was a nipper) my folks were scraping. They sold their MGs and mum had a 2CV and dad had a Renault 4 van. The van was rusty and he did a body swap. I remember going to the scrapyard with him, cars piled 6 high, I remember the Mk10 Jag, Lea Francis, classic tractors, loads of beetles and minis. Living by the coast, it was a rite of passage to get into surfing and I did. As a 17 year old, I would have loved to have had a beetle, so I had to make do with Morris Minor, as beetles were too expensive. My first was a G reg rose taupe 2 door. We were all geared to drive up the north coast and I went from going backwards, banged it in first and broke a halfshaft. Dad bought me a socket set and haynes manual and sat in the car whilst I went and got myself a halfshaft. Same thing happened come MOT failure on rust. £15 arc welder in the freeads. Cue a whole series of classic cars, culminating in my 66 rally car deluxe modded mini. That went off for multiples that I paid for it to be a racing cooper S with one of the chaps on here. I should have seen the writing on the wall with my 64, which was perfect, but turned out to be cornflakes packets and filler. I bought that for £800 and when I heartbreakingly attempted to get my money back by selling it on ebay (that was about 2004) I got £1800 for parts. People pay more for a pair of S seats than I paid for my restored rally car in 2003. It has gone so silly. If you do have a classic car, it's an investment, not something to be tuned and thrashed. The other day, I went down to the scrapyard to step in old footprints and behind the gate was a field. It had all gone. This was the barometer of change for me. It's no longer possible, unless you are on ebay, with a massive wallet, prepared to bid £300 for a genuine 33/2222G wheelnut with all the other millionaires. We just done see minis anymore. I've seen about 2 this year.

I've got a mate from my line of work who has a micra with a black box. The insurance is about £2k. The car is a heap. If he as much as puts a sticker on it, it's prison time. I said "what about a classic car" and apparently, he couldn't get quoted! My Morris Minor with Adrian Flux was cheaper than all of my pals with their metros/fiestas. An old Suzuki SJ or some sort of "well out of the stats" kit car sounds like a sensible move, but I gather it just isn't possible.

My line of work is to do with historic mining and subsidence and I have had the mispleasure of having to renew our PI insurance, as we were suddenly dropped by our insurer at the last minute. The new amount is 25% of our turnover. This was from being at about 5% previously. I spoke to a big suit about it and they said "after a few events in your very small habitat, the underwriters do not have the appetite for such a risky activity". I presume the same thing is with cars. Fit bigger brakes NOOOOOO!!! Fit a CD player NOOOOOO!!!! Pay through the nose. The kids are getting reamed by these parasites. It doesn't happen in Australia and the kids are rumbling around in V8 utes.

I remember being able to choose the 12HD24 and 12HF01 engines at the scrappy for £40, as the low compression small valve ones were just rubbish. I remember saying to my mate "we should buy all of these and put them behind the garage". We should have done. What has happened with mini prices recently is just silly. They have totally left the ballpark. I drive a fast audi estate now and it blows the poo out of the old mini and costs about 1/4 of the price of a decent mk1. I'd like to give my children the spanner lessons that my dad did, but as someone said now, it's all about wifi and social media. They just don't care. The closest thing we've got to it is people driving crappy old VWs with broken suspension. For the price of a 1275 S, you can have an RS4 daily driver AND something like a Sylva Striker. It's just left the bounds of sense.

I miss the days of going to classic car shows and seeing mutant clubmans with wide wheels, bucket seats and some sort of engine upgrade. I miss honking my cucaracha horn at other minis. Those days are over. I imagine my old "shed" is now pretending to be a 1965 Cooper S with it's original seat covers and steel wheels until matey crashes it and then turns another Mini Super into a Cooper S.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:41 am 
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people like old minis ......thats the problem
if you have an old mini and want some parts then luckily some one will supply them , but they also want a good wage like in historic mining or what ever...so they charge for them. restorers also like a living wage so they charge for this accordingly, and so on, this all pushes prices up....

but to me nothings changed
just had to more or less give away my sons matt black r51 MINI = £500!... he even tried to get me to chop it in to a pickup ...:lol:. loads of parts in the scrap yards and ebay.....plus grown ups hate them and think there crap :lol: whats new!

its like moaning over not being able to go to woolies and buy a vinyl record for 50p :?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:59 am 
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In the shed wrote:
I said "what about a classic car" and apparently, he couldn't get quoted!


There are ways around it. I do know that the Morris Minor Owners Club have a "young drivers scheme" agreed with Footman James, because my daughter insured her Morris Minor through them when aged 17. The insurance was much less expensive than any modern car. She'd have been no more than 20 when we also insured her to drive my Mk1 850 Mini so it can be done economically with a bit of searching. I have also sold 2 of my MX5s to under 25 year olds who said they had arranged very reasonable insurance through specialist brokers. I suspect that if you simply go onto a comparison site, these deals will not show up?

I agree with almost everything that has been said on this subject but there ARE youngsters who are very much into classic cars. My daughter is certainly one of them! They are fairly few and far between however.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:23 pm 
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It's a culture shift what were we doing 20 or 30 years ago on a saturday afternoon, working on a car probably, fitting a set of donor disc brakes to our mini's or lying on our back lifting a gearbox into an escort etc.

Our cars needed constant attention, if a modern car breaks down nowadays it is pointless even lifting the bonnet chances are it needs to recovered.

So kids that have parents with modern cars, never see dad tinkering under the bonnet, hence they have no interest in the subject, to busy on social media lol

Kids of today will lust after cars of this era in another 30 years it's human nature we all do it, but it wont be because they want to work on them, it will be a nostalgia trip.

btw speaking of nostalgia have you seen what a MK1 Raleigh Chopper is worth these days :shock:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:36 pm 
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Raleigh Chopper......... Yep, saw one in the Altstadt in Dusseldorf on Saturday afternoon Nick. In restored mint condition too. Bloke said that he used it in the summer to save driving home pissed and it always attracts attention. Asked him if he'd swop it for my Cannondale. Nope!

On a serious note though, how many pre-car owning age youngsters can do their own repairs to their bikes? Not many I suspect. That and meccano was always a good start for mechanical engineers


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:30 pm 
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My lad (18yo and driving for 1 year) has been pestering me for months now that he wants a mini. OK hes grown up with them but at college he sees the odd mini and other classics, a mate has a mini project for his first car, another has an Imp! So he couldnt see any reason he couldnt have a mini too.

Having looked at a few we finally struck lucky this week and found an 88 mayfair with full mot, little rough in places but quite presentable. Hes been under it every evening this week, taking off the rusty spots and over riders etc. Theres lots of little things that need sorting such as a broken clamp on the indicator stalks (now fixed) and the window has come out the channels as it drops when you wind down. The fact that it has a few jobs that he can begin to learn on I saw as a positive. Then we can progress on to ball joints and brakes etc etc. He did say he wanted something real to do as hes bored of the playstation.

I got concerned about insurance as a lot of the specialists dont cater for youngsters, then theres the fact that its not exactly factory standard spec, all cosmetic rather than performance mods. Admiral actually came out cheapest, declaring the white roof, alloys and walnut dash, with a significant saving if we go multi car too.


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