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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:35 pm 
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First production Mini wasn't the Cooper - it was the Seven and Mini-Minor Supers that had the two toning first. Coopers were developed from them.

Been two toned cars from the factory right from the 30s as far as I have seen.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:20 pm 
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minitravellerman wrote:
First production Mini wasn't the Cooper - it was the Seven and Mini-Minor Supers that had the two toning first. Coopers were developed from them.


I think both the "Super" and "Cooper" models were introduced at the same time.
Elf & Hornet also made good use of the two tone scheme of course.


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I'd imagine the earliest use would probably be on a 'Faux Cabriolet' in the '20s, or maybe even earlier, where a colour break was used to echo the lines of a drop top on a fixed head body.

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Old English White wrote:
minitravellerman wrote:
First production Mini wasn't the Cooper - it was the Seven and Mini-Minor Supers that had the two toning first. Coopers were developed from them.


I think both the "Super" and "Cooper" models were introduced at the same time.
Elf & Hornet also made good use of the two tone scheme of course.


The Super & Cooper were certainly both released simultaneously in Sept 1961

Introduced as "The Super & Cooper Twins"

http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.u ... review.pdf

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:38 pm 
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mk1 wrote:
Old English White wrote:
minitravellerman wrote:
First production Mini wasn't the Cooper - it was the Seven and Mini-Minor Supers that had the two toning first. Coopers were developed from them.


I think both the "Super" and "Cooper" models were introduced at the same time.
Elf & Hornet also made good use of the two tone scheme of course.


The Super & Cooper were certainly both released simultaneously in Sept 1961

Introduced as "The Super & Cooper Twins"

http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.u ... review.pdf


Apologies chaps. It was always my understanding that the Supers were out first and then the Cooper was essentially based on them. Never too old to learn new things about Minis.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:49 pm 
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"There are now loads of cars on the road with different coloured roofs as standard. When did the idea start? Was it with the introduction of the Mini Cooper back in 1961 or does the idea go back further than that and some other car? Does anyone know?"

The image of the Hillman Californian has brought back many happy memories of my youth in Kent travelling around in my Uncle's car which he traded in for a 2 tone red/cream Hillman Minx series 111c? which had the cream roof and boot which I think was created to reflect to enormous rear wings (like USA cars of the period; in my opinion a very safe colour choice (didn't they paint wings white on war time vehicles?) And then I thought about other research I had done which revealed 2 tone 1920's cars such as the Bugatti Royale. It doesn't stop there. Morris Oxfords from the 1950's and Sunbeam Rapiers. Didn't the 1950's Sunbeam Talbot have 2 tone paintwork.
Was it Henry Ford who said "any colour you like as long as it is black." Maybe that was why two tone colours for cars were developed? There is also the observation that English competition cars began to be painted red to confuse the Italians who had been used to English cars such as the all conquering Bentleys being painted British Racing Green (choose your own paint code!!!!).
Just my thoughts. Other comments or observations very welcome.
A great topic for discussion Graham. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:50 am 
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hanlminiman wrote:
There is also the observation that English competition cars began to be painted red to confuse the Italians who had been used to English cars such as the all conquering Bentleys being painted British Racing Green (choose your own paint code!!!!).
Cliff


Now there's another topic for conversation, National Racing Colours.


British Racing Green
French Blue
Italian Red
White for Germany (changed to silver when Mercrdes and Auto Union decided to leave their cars unpainted to save weight.)
Belgian Yellow

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:08 am 
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Two tone was already getting old by the late 20s.
Ruxton took things to a new level.

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surfblue63 wrote:
hanlminiman wrote:
There is also the observation that English competition cars began to be painted red to confuse the Italians who had been used to English cars such as the all conquering Bentleys being painted British Racing Green (choose your own paint code!!!!).
Cliff


Now there's another topic for conversation, National Racing Colours.


British Racing Green
French Blue
Italian Red
White for Germany (changed to silver when Mercrdes and Auto Union decided to leave their cars unpainted to save weight.)
Belgian Yellow

Anymore


The official Alfa Romeo racing colour was black before it was changed to red - some older photos of the cars are sometimes mistaken for Ferraris because old Enzo started the practice of putting the famous yellow shield with the prancing horse on them when he was in charge of the team (long before he set up on his own). The horse came from the an Italian WW1 fighter ace (with a slight tweak to the tail) and was also pinched by Porsche for their shield badge.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:31 pm 
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WMU 211G wrote:
and was also pinched by Porsche for their shield badge.


Porsche did not nick the horse, it is the coat of arms of Stuttgart.

The horse used by Ferrari was given to him by the Baracca family for good luck, it being their family coat of arms.

Both companies having the rampant horse is just coincidence.

The reason Ferrari did not set up his company when he left Alfa was there was a 10 year clause in his Alfa contract that he could not set up his own Scuderia Ferrari.


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